Majority Of Americans Support Single Payer

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  1. kreo

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    I do not know the technicalities, all I know that public option (i.e. single payer) has been fiercely opposed by members of both parties.
     
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    Press Release: Results of 2016 NRMP Main Residency Match Largest ...
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    Mar 18, 2016 - The 2016 Main Residency Match was the largest on record, encompassing ... Internal Medicine programs offered 7,024 positions, 254 more than in 2015; ... medical schools submitting program preferences increased to 2,982,
     
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    Yes, but population grows in much faster pace.
    Again, if government controls number of positions, it is illegal to allow medical providers to set their own prices, therefore the only option we have is a single payer with fixed cost.
     
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    obamacare was a poison pill that is supposed to pave the way for single payer. Yet, we're to believe the majority of the people didn't/don't like the law, but want single payer. Something smells like sewage.
     
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    Politicians are terrified of being called "commies"... and they don't want to buck the insurance companies.

    Single payer private delivery works.. Its nothing like the VA.

    There's a learning curve here for most Americans.
     
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    Yes, and if there's heavy price fixing you can expect long wait times as no one will spend hundreds of thousands to make a fraction of what they make today. Do we want to 'free' college, too?
     
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    To a degree yes. I mean, don't you? You specifically referred to them contributing to Trump. How else could you have meant that?
     
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    Half of it is that it's a media campaign to take advantage of the failure of Ryancare, but also part of it is that the failure of Ryancare makes it seem like it's nearly impossible to come up with a free market alternative.
     
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    A reasonable assumption.
     
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    There is no such thing as "free market healthcare"...
     
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    Government always can expand number of doctors, the same way government imported millions software developers from India.
    If government regulate and limit free market it should fix the prices and provide resources.
     
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    If the poll is accurate, that is precisely why we need to mandate passing a test on American history, economics and current events before one is allowed to vote. There are far, far too many ignorant people out there who are allowed to vote . . . and . . . guess what? They all vote for Democrats!
     
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    So you think that our US Medical schools are government owned and operated?
     
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    I realize that Europeans have different socialist medicine policies, and some are not single payer, others are (Germany's isn't, for example). Regardless, it's paid for out of the pockets of workers and employers, either directly from their paycheck, or through taxes.
     
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    Joking aside, that is one of the ways the South prevented blacks from voting. Different Poll tests were given to different races. Easy ones for whites, while all the tests were just about impossible, or at least much harder for blacks.
     
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    It is a government enforced cartel.
     
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    Well, to some degree, the poll tests were not required for people who were "grandfathered in." The rule was if your grandfather could vote, you didn't have to take poll tests.
    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi.../the-racial-history-of-the-grandfather-clause
     
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    Something to consider: Polls such as this one are used to FORM, LEAD, or DIRECT public opinion rather than to REFLECT public opinion.
     
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    But of course the Democrats will exempt the bottom 75% if not complete mostly.
     
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    That can't work with socialized medicine. There are just not enough of the rich to tax them sufficiently to pay for socialized healthcare.
     
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    Totally unconstitutional to do so but the thought of requiring EVERY person registering to pass the SAME test such as the link below is certainly enticing. Are there any good reason not to? Even setting a low of 60% to pass?

    http://www.ferris.edu/htmls/news/jimcrow/origins/images/al_literacy.pdf
     
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    LOL.. Notice that I had already preemptively called that exact source on the very post you quoted idiotic because it is inappropriate to compare on cost per patient... ever really in determining efficiency but especially here. Cost per service is the data we need (not perfect, but obviously better because it helps control for sicker patients), and the data of that kind that I found (and the 2014 CBO found) was old (2004 study on the 90s), and it found that the va was cheaper.
     
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    What socialized medicine? Medicare is paid for by payroll taxes.
     
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    Perhaps. There is some merit, but whole testing idea is risky. Who would decide what would be in the tests and on how it would be administered? What about dyslexics, or people from poor communities with their often bad schools against the well off and their much better schools?
     

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