Majority of voters want Theresa May to delay Brexit

. . . exclusive Independent poll finds. Fifty-three per cent of voters would support postponing Britain’s departure from the EU, leaving the door open to a second referendum."

I reckon that the 'majority of voters' don't want May to delay Brexit, they want to her to forget effing Brexit. If this delusional woman doesn't have the self-awareness to realise she's humiliating herself day after day - and she obviously doesn't - then at least she should be forcibly stopped from humiliating the rest of us. As to the poll itself - that supposed fifty-three percent must not only be too stupid to understand the ramifications of another Leave result of a second referendum, but also don't get it that if there were to be a second referendum at all, whatever the result might be, there will be rioting in the streets, even eventual civil war.

We have a lame-duck prime minister - no, make it a dead-duck prime minister - and a 'fifteen minutes of fame' leader of the Opposition whose only ability is playing to any gallery that'll listen to him. My country has never sunk so low; the whole world is laughing at us every bloody day with her dashing around in her ridiculous 3 sizes too small jackets. If we have any enemies out there, now would be the time to strike.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...dum-final-say-poll-bmg-research-a8771371.html

 

An awful lot of the Brexiters are dead and have been replaced by young people who want a future.

 

Young people are like liberals - they think they know all the answers but in fact they know **** all. Wisdom only comes with age (although not always?? lol), and is gained by experience of life.

 

and old people who believe that there was this brilliant pass which they can bring the UK back to by ruining it economically are senile, many of whom now are resting in peace. It is the young whose future their senility has destroyed.

 

'the enemy inside' - all countries have them! In their simplicity they're unwitting traitors.

 

No I think it is just senility. However it does raise a question whether people who will be resting in peace while others have to face the consequences ought to have a vote in such circumstances. We understand now that there is a problem with some of the old driving cars, possibly we need to consider, certainly in circumstances where they are not the ones who will be affected, whether they should vote and that is particularly so when many of them are facing totally mental deterioration through senility.

 

I'm 57 Missus so you can drop your risible ageist insinuations because they don't apply.

 

Oh you thought I was talking about you!! You project too much onto others the motivation behind your own posts. What I said stays. Of course it could be that we ought to have reduced the age to even younger. Without the votes of the over 50's particularly the under educated, the vote would have been a resounding remain. Not that the EU does not need massive change and in that with respect to neo Liberalism, leaving will not change that, certainly not under any Government other than a Corbyn one. It just will massively increase it making previous austerity seem like bliss. The only rational reason for people voting leave was ethnic nationalism, the kind that results in fascism and that of course is exactly what we now know Rees-Mogg is hoping to bring to the UK.

 

Noted. Just another load of crap!

 

The best person to employ is a young person, because they know fecking everything. Very apt, we've all been there and done that. The young are not very wise at all.

The Brexit goal posts should remain put and we leave at the end of March, touch wood, without any stupid deal.

 

Here's the thang, Nonnie - the hysteria of a no-deal is predicated on 2 years of hyperbolic Project Fear scaremongering, and is totally misleading because nobody can possibly know what the aftermath of a no-deal would look like: for all anyone does know, including Motor-mouth Soubry and the other empty vessels (mostly females, have you noticed? ), a no-deal might well prove to be something we should have done years ago. Think of all those £squillions we could have saved? But que sera sera?

 

Probably a no deal was life before Europe. The remainers seem to forget that the European Union is only 26 years old, if memory serves, no UK citizen voted to join. I believe a referendum was held in the 1973 to join the Common Market.

It's a shame my dad is not alive to see the UK leave because he voted not to join in 73.

 

We who voted were all lied to, and fooled - and it includes me, because I thought a Euro trading bloc - which is what it was dressed up to be - was a good idea. How wrong can you be!

 

The Common Market was ok, I think. I was only 6 in 1973. It was when it turned into the European Union when things got bad/worse. And they're pushing for this United States of Europe idea where the member countries lose their sovereignty.

 

And that in a nutshell was what it was all about, a United States of Europe, and we fell for it! And surprise, surprise, now chickens are coming home to roost.

 

Didn't Brown run off at the last minute to sign a treaty?

What gets me, how come does parliament get a vote? The dim wits didn't vote us into Europe? How come the dim wits vote on how we come out?

 

I can't remember, but we certainly owe Brown for keeping us out of the Euro - and that was more luck than good judgement . . . he only did it to frustrate Blair who wanted to get us into it. What a pair of (euphemism for banned word coming up) you-know-whats?

Good point - I've reached the stage where I just look on in bemusement every day at the Westminster shenanigans while the whole world laughs at us. We used to be 'the sick man of Europe', now we're 'the clown of the world'. Trouble is that the Blessed Margaret isn't around any more to restore our credibility - but then there's always Nige - he would? Ni-gel, Ni-gel, ra-ra-ra! (gorra laugh haven't we, otherwise we'd all be topping ourselves - I know I would!!)

 

It was held in 1975.

In 1975. Why did he vote to leave, do you know?

Also, why do you think leaving without a deal would be a good thing?

I think it would be an absolute disaster for everyone except the ultra rich.

Rees-Mogg had to admit that any so called "Brexit dividend" would take at least fifty years - if it was to arrive at all
He, personally, stands to do very well out of it and is looking forward to the time when EU environmental and safety laws can be slashed.

I told my elderly neighbour how I was impressed I was with his gung ho, we can tighten our belts and become great again attitude, as I assumed he was happy to give up his pension credit, free prescriptions, free public transport pass and so on so that " we can be great again".

You should have seen his face drop. It turned out, he's not talking about him having to do without, or actually do anything at all, in order for Britain " to become great again".

He couldn't even tell me of a time it was actually great to be poor working class.

Perhaps I can get some sensible answers from you?

 

I always use sensible answers to sensible questions, on this occasion however, I will answer your questions.

Why no deal - The further away from Europe, the better. Prefer not to make a deal with the devil.

Rees-Mogg - If he does well, good for him. If some others do well, good for them. If some don't do so well, life is not a free ride. Oh, hang on, you think everything centres around economics? That's not everyone's top priority. There's a large list for leaving, remainers just seem to default to economics.

With your old neighbour, I think it's pretty low feeding him lies.

What's important to me is sovereignty. I prefer to be governed by our MP's and unelected Lords and not by an out of touch Brussels. I find the two World Wars very important and regard those who fought and those who died very admirable. I would never ever betray them by throwing our sovereignty away. I believe those purely motivated by economics and voted to remain disrespected our war heroes.

Anyone who loves the EU so much, I am willing to buy them a one way plane ticket for them to emigrate to Europe on the proviso they don't come back, ever.

The way remainers harp on, life before the EU must have been dire, how on earth did people survive

PS - if/when you reply, I won't be replying to you because we'll just go round in circles. If you think you can alter my beliefs, you are wrong and your beliefs are good for you. That means, we need a democracy voting system and respect the wishes of the majority winning vote, otherwise, the minority want to live in a society of anarchy.

 

I bet the Germans want it delayed and even scrapped.

https://www.dw.com/en/hard-brexit-risks-100000-german-jobs-report/a-47447207

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Germany and Europe need us more than we need them. They can go stuff themselves.

There are even some bright sparks in the UK who believe we should remain and pay billions in membership fees for Germany et al. to keep their jobs. Go figure that.

About time we scrap paying for all this pouncey arts and media crap and start concentrating on manufacturing, science and engineering.

 

Good

Also good.

Not so good. In fact , not a sensible answer at all.

But very bad for the rest of us.

Trade and investment are absolutely vital.
What is the long list of reasons for leaving?

You not liking what I told him doesn't make them lies.

Britain is a sovereign state. Being a member of the EU didn't and doesn't change that.

You'd be better off saving as much of your money as possible for buying necessities should we leave with no deal.

It wasn't great. We became much, much better off after we joined

During the 1960s and 70s, Britain was, quite frankly, going down the tubes.

https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit

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Although it will never be revealed, never mind proven, but I reckon Honda, and now Nissan, are pulling out for no other reason than they're sick of the interminable indecision and May's total loss of credibility as a prime minister; and worse than that - much worse - is the undoubted prospect for them of a Labour government. I reckon they've both said '**** this - nearly 3 effing years and still no further forward so that we can plan for future models, and develop electric power plants. We have the best work force on the planet, but we've waited long enough; let's just get the **** out and leave the stupid Brits to their fate.'

 

As would most people who are looking at the situation objectively.

And as usual, you'd be absolutely wrong.

It's not going to happen, but if trade were to cease between the UK and EU post-Brexit, Germany would lose under 9% of their export market - very inconvenient indeed - whereas the UK would lose nearly 50% of our export market - absolutely cataclysmic.

The UK would be paying membership to preserve jobs in Britain.

 

Rubbish, you're conveniently forgetting the trade we'd be doing with the rest of the world. The German car makers are ******** themselves and you know it.

 

How would our trade with the rest of the world suddenly double ?

What competitive advantage would we suddenly have when the small number of trade deals which have been agreed are just the EU deals rolled over ?

For sure German car manufacturers would prefer that there weren't tariffs between the EU and UK but then again models like the X5 are manufactured in the US, increases in price resulting from tariffs will likely only have a marginal impact on sales, and the UK lags far behind the EU, US and China for sales.