Man Accused of Hate Crime for Refusing To Have Sex with Transgender Who Has Male Genitalia

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  1. Durandal

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    Good god. First, that is something that could easily be tested for. Second, it's absurd to think that a transgender person would compete athletically just to try and win by an unfair advantage.

    I don't get this right-wing obsession over the issue of transgenders competing in sports. Seems to be something that is blasted out constantly by fake news, though.
     
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    i disagree with that as well.
     
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    Can you show that these hormone therapies are a requirement for transgenders to compete in women's sports?
    And yet:
    https://www.bicycling.com/news/a295...ionship-masters-win-transgender-sport-debate/
    https://triblive.com/sports/biological-male-wins-ncaa-womens-track-championship/
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lifting-title-amid-controversy-over-fairness/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...eat-gains-yet-resentment-still-flares-n975646
    ad nauseam
    Why don't you care about women, especially in their sports?
     
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    You can disagree with anything you like. Doesn’t make much of a difference.
     
  5. Durandal

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    Read your linked stories. The last one is particularly good:

    Trans athletes make great gains, yet resentment still flares
    “As soon as they start winning, that’s when the vitriol comes out about how they’re really still a man."​

    How apropos.
     
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    Um... that's the point.
     
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    Navratilova’s argument is “centered on a fabrication, fantasy, and a fiction,” McKinnon said in an email to The Associated Press. “She imagines a nonexistent cisgender man who will pretend to be a trans woman, convince a psychologist and a physician to prescribe hormone therapy, undertake the process for legal changer recognition, then wait the minimum 12 months of testosterone suppression required by the current IOC rules, compete, and then change his mind and ‘go back to making babies’?”

    “No such thing will ever happen,” McKinnon wrote. “This is an irrational fear of trans women.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...eat-gains-yet-resentment-still-flares-n975646
     
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    The opinion of a man who bested women in a women's sport somehow demonstrates that women's sports are not endangered by the participation of such men?
     
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    The facts matter, and the facts do not support your ongoing irrational fear of trans women.
     
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    As I don't have an fear of these men, irrational or otherwise, you cannot be right.
    These stories DO, hoewver demonstrate the growing dangers these men pose to women's sports -- why don't you care about women?
     
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    No, they really don't demonstrate any such thing. What they demonstrate is that some people have an irrational fear of trans women.
     
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    How do multiple examples of men beating women in women's sporting events --not-- demonstrate the growing threat posed to women's sport posed by such men?
    Why don't you care about women?
     
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    The trans women not beating cis women doesn't make the news, does it?
     
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    Not sure how you think this address my question.
    Try again.
    How do multiple examples of men beating women in women's sporting events --not-- demonstrate the growing threat posed to women's sport posed by such men?
     
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    I'll go ahead and explain it, but somehow I think you'll purposely refuse to understand.

    When you only hear about trans women winning a competition and you never hear about the losses, it biases your perception. Then again, you're already biased in this regard, aren't you? The fact that we only hear about trans women winning in the news, both real and fake, serves as confirmation bias for you and your existing bias against trans women.

    Show us that transgender athletes have any advantage in athletics. A handful of stories about trans athletes winning a competition does not suffice, and that should be obvious. How about some statistics? A scientific assessment of the win-loss statistics in athletics would be nice. Without that, you have nothing but bias to go on.
     
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    How so, and what perception?
    Proof of them winning is not proof of them winning.
    Got it. Thanks.
     
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    I would like to think, if I were that athlete, I would be compassionate and see that this is likely the first great thing that has happened in their life. And I would like to think I would be happy for them. There are other races. And there is more to life than 'record times'. How did we all become so screwed up that we consider our athletic accomplishments more important than the happy lives of others?
     
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    :lol:
    We both know that's not true.
     
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    And the elite pretend we are "enlightened". :applause:
     
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    Theres no such thing as trans women.. they are men. Plain and simple.
     
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    You are certainly free to speak for yourself - but please, not for me. I have spent the past 30 years working to be a person who speaks for those who can't speak for themselves. And when I say I would like to think that I would act in a certain way, I mean it sincerely. I cannot say for certain because I've never been a professional athlete or completed at the level you mentioned. But I can say that I would be horribly disappointed in myself and would be betraying the person I strive to be by denying a person, who has lived a life of oppression, the chance to succeed and achieve their goals.
     
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    Tell me why you think it is plausible that someone capable of breaking a word record had no other "great thing" happen in their life?
     
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    Unquestionably -- every blood text they take will return an XY result.
     

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