Man in UK jailed for "rape" for poking hole in condom

Rape is non consensual sex, as I have said if she had known that he was deliberately having non protected sex with her she would of shouted for him to stop.

 

still not rape, she consented to sex, so not rape, a crime, yes, but not rape

you did not answer my question, if a woman lies about being on birth control and a man has sex with her, did she rape him?

 

She consented to protected sex not unprotected sex and yes I think a woman should be charged with rape if she lies about birth control. I would never give my consent to unprotected sex with a woman.

 

wasn't it Robert Blake that the woman he murdered said she was on the pill but wasn't, does that mean his victim raped him before he killed her

of course not, that is not rape.....

you still did not answer the question..... if a woman lies about being on birth control and a man has sex with her, did she rape him?

 

Ok what is rape?

 

unconsensual sex being forced on someone, and that did not happen here, she consented to the sex - that is not rape

now I do think what he did was a crime, just not rape

by your logic if a man lies about how rich he is, it's rape if the woman consents to sex, it's not

if Trump lied about how rich he was to women he had sex with, is it rape?

 

That's a good question, and one which we all can't seem to agree on in this thread.

 

definition of rape.

unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape

She could not consent to unprotected sex as the man had lied to her.

 

if lying is rape, most people do not want to have sex with a partner that cheats on them, if they lie about an affair, is it rape

they would never of consented had they not been lied too, so must be rape, right?

 

he had her consent... so not rape

 

IF she did. But she didn't.

no shout, no rape

 

Why did she not shout?

 

How could he have consent when he had obtained that consent by deception?

 

Doesn't matter. There was no duck tape over her mouth.

 

she consented, notice you ignored this question too

 

Explain how you give consent when you have been deceived into it?

And I did not ignore anything, you did not address the question to me.

 

addressing this to you...

if lying is rape, most people do not want to have sex with a partner that cheats on them, if they lie about an affair, is it rape

they would never of consented had they not been lied too, so must be rape, right?


you never answered this one either

if a woman lies about being on birth control and a man has sex with her, did she rape him?

 

Stop deflecting, we have a specific case and a detailed description, what ifs and maybes are irrelevant.

 

why can't you answer the question, cause you know it's not rape?

we both know it's wrong... but not rape

let's save the word "rape" for real rape victims, not lessen the meaning of the word on cases like this

 

Maybe you're not getting it. The prosecution was accusing him of what he did as "rape". He just has to go along with that and not argue with it, or it makes him look not remorseful, and he'd risk being sentenced to even more prison time by the judge.

In England the society has changed so much that maybe the man was even convinced himself that what he did constituted rape.

But again, we are not talking about actual rape, we are talking about a hole poked in a condom.
But as you can see, there is someone in this very thread who insists that that is rape.

 

I still think of poor Julian Assange, accused of "rape".

For several years, the majority of people thought he was being accused of rape. Completely didn't care about his plight as a result.

When in reality what the accusers claimed he "did" is something I could imagine myself doing!

 

No, I am trying to get you to concentrate on this specific case, and the point here is she gave consent for protected sex and the guy was having unprotected sex and was aware of it, there is no question she would of refused sex if she had known it was unprotected.
He obtained her consent by deliberate deceit and there was empirical evidence and he confessed to it. The other scenarios are interesting debating points but not relevant to this case. It may be that laws need to be refined to create other crimes for some of scenarios you mention. But here the facts are clear and un arguable, he obtained consent by deception, that is not consent.

 

had not heard that one, same case, women accusing him of rape for tampering with a condom

they should create a law called "tampering with birth control"

then anyone lying about being on the pill or tampering with a condom have a valid crime

calling it rape, when it's not rape is just wrong

 

in my examples, they were no different, neither is rape

if you can't say those are rape, then you can't say this is rape.... just the reality of it

let's save the word "rape" for real rape victims

 

You will not answer the question that is troubling the rape supporters on this thread, can consent be obtained by deceit?