Man injured after officer involved shooting in Kenosha

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by MissingMayor, Aug 23, 2020.

  1. 21Bronco

    21Bronco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    1,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We're way too short on facts to make a judgment here.
     
  2. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,498
    Likes Received:
    178
    Trophy Points:
    63
    At first glance it appears the shooting was unjustified, but there are several possibilities that would warrant the shooting. You don't know that the cop shot him for the sole reason of not complying.
     
  3. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2016
    Messages:
    6,996
    Likes Received:
    3,650
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Fix the incompetence of police. They have been getting worse at their jobs over the years.
     
  4. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,045
    Likes Received:
    5,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes and no to the obey thing.

    And I'm waiting for more info as well.

    Re: Obey, nobody suggests non compliance = shooting. Most suggest non compliance = increased likelihood of shooting. That's been an overused/confusing discussion point for a long time. If it was an immediate death sentence there would be 100,000 shootings not 1,000.
     
  5. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,855
    Likes Received:
    3,930
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    drluggit likes this.
  6. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    16,415
    Likes Received:
    15,811
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  7. fishinD

    fishinD Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2020
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    338
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Hard to say at this point. Definitely need more information. Does not look good, but the guy was also resisting and walking quite fast which only escalates the situation.
     
    Josephwalker likes this.
  8. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,498
    Likes Received:
    178
    Trophy Points:
    63
    5 years earlier, apparently there was. Allegedly, the cops found it near the driver seat of his SUV after arresting him for brandishing an illegally concealed weapon in a bar.

    Did this cop know this? If so then it COULD lean toward a justified shooting. But it depends on what the cop saw in the vehicle, what the perp was saying at the time etc.
     
    21Bronco, Josephwalker and glitch like this.
  9. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    16,691
    Likes Received:
    13,699
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Kenosha seems like any other Democratic party controlled city. Are democrats not getting the memo somehow?? This is what I just consistently don't get. These folks are being abused in mostly northern democratic party controlled areas. How can those in power allow this to continue to happen?
     
  10. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    16,691
    Likes Received:
    13,699
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who would defend this? And more, why do you not call out the democrats who run the place?
     
  11. Vote4Future

    Vote4Future Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    1,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We have very few facts here and only people jumping to conclusions! Yet, so many have these police officers tried and convicted already!
     
  12. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,498
    Likes Received:
    178
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I would if the cop knew about his prior concealed weapon incident, his alleged (it's difficult to find a straight answer on his criminal history right now) assault(s) on cops, and/or he was making threats as he was walking.

    Lot of ifs, and my gut says unjustified. But I'm not going to go out and burn the city on my gut.
     
    Spim and Josephwalker like this.
  13. David Landbrecht

    David Landbrecht Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2018
    Messages:
    778
    Likes Received:
    386
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    What are you, some kind of radical rationalist? Being rational is old hat, don't you know that? Only fuming vitriol is to be regurgitated! Reasoned argumentation will not be admitted! (Psst...don't tell anyone, but I agree one hundred percent with your post.)
     
    21Bronco likes this.
  14. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    16,691
    Likes Received:
    13,699
    Trophy Points:
    113
    To be fair, this is a question for the courts. As you suggest, there are a lot of "ifs" here. So, to me, there really is nothing to defend. What seems to be the problem are members of a public union who feel entitled to conduct their business this way, and a political party who runs the city that enable it.
     
  15. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    412
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
  16. rkhames

    rkhames Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2013
    Messages:
    4,495
    Likes Received:
    840
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can you tell if there is a gun in the vehicle? No! Then neither could the officers. It is clear that this man is refusing to follow the police officers orders. For all we know at this point, the children in the vehicle might have been kidnapped. All we know is that the officers were dispatched to a domestic dispute, and the man was fleeing the officers. Yes, you can flee at a slow or walking speed. Remember the OJ slow moving car chase?

    Wait for the details before you claim that this was unjustified.
     
  17. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    44,643
    Likes Received:
    43,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Fix the radicals infesting the Dem Party looting and burning cities and mugging and murdering in the name of justice. To absolutely nobody's surprise Kenosha is now going up in flames courtesy of the radical and murderous minded belonging to the nation's political Left.

    Oh . . . and also to absolutely nobody's surprise the city is controlled by the Dem Party and -- yes -- has stood down police so that the violent radical leftists can do whatever the hell they want to the city and its citizens:

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020
  18. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    412
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    I do not know about others on this thread. I have not read all of the comments. I think the police should use necessary violence for those who disobey them. If they do not like the way the police treat them, they can tell their story to the judge. If the police kill them I do not care. They were probably trash.

    I have been stopped and frisked by the police on several occasions. When this happens I move slowly, keep my hands in sight, and speak respectfully.

    I have only been beaten up by policemen once. They broke several of my ribs. I lost a week's work for which I was not compensated, and a contact lens. It's a long story, but they probably thought I was someone else. They left me alone after looking at my drivers' license. We all make mistakes. I know I have.
     
  19. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    115,912
    Likes Received:
    22,799
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  20. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    115,912
    Likes Received:
    22,799
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Geez you can't even get it straight he is not dead, how could it be murder? He was being order to comply with the officers. He turned his back started to leave and refused to stop. He opened a car door and reached in. That'll get you shot. Why are you trying to defend it?
     
    Conservative Democrat and Texan like this.
  21. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    44,643
    Likes Received:
    43,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I've noticed that nearly all leftist chronic critics of the police have themselves NEVER been in the military and have absolutely no idea whatsoever regarding the realities of either military life or policing. All vast numbers among them seem to comprehend is the Marxism they were taught in college and their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.
     
  22. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    115,912
    Likes Received:
    22,799
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ....and present a threatening situation.

    You left out that part.
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  23. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    115,912
    Likes Received:
    22,799
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And the usual left wing haters will defend the criminal omit the facts and claim they can disobey lawful orders and use weapons against police.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020
    roorooroo likes this.
  24. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    115,912
    Likes Received:
    22,799
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Fact he refused their lawful orders, attempted to flee, opened a car door and reached in. What more do we need?
     
    roorooroo and Josephwalker like this.
  25. 21Bronco

    21Bronco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    1,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We'd all like to know, I'm sure, whether he had a gun in the vehicle he was attempting to get into. Like he did the PREVIOUS time he was arrested.

    People forget that police actually KNOW some of the people they're arresting, because they've arrested them before. Jacob pulled a gun in a bar previously, while drunk, and resisted arrest previously, among his other crimes including alleged sexual assault.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2020

Share This Page