Man kills three, injures fourth, in workplace rampage

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A man killed three people, and severely injured a fourth person, in an act of workplace violence.

    Now hold you breath...

    It was NOT with a gun.


    Man kills 3 co-workers with knife and bat, injures fourth
    Theresa Braine

    A third victim has died after being caught up in a co-worker's murderous rampage following his fight with a supervisor.

    Seven people were home Saturday when electrician Shaun Runyon, 39, burst into the abode he shared with several colleagues on a temporary work project after arguing with his boss and punching him, then fleeing the job site. At the home, Runyon went rogue with a knife and a bat, beating a sleeping man to death, killing another on the front porch and chasing a third into the street, beating him badly with a bat.​

    Man kills 3 co-workers after fight with boss - New York Daily News (nydailynews.com)

    Sounds like the man might have finally snapped due to Covid pandemic stress building up.

    Why didn't he use a gun? Well it sounds like he may at least have had the courtesy not to let his killing rampage get turned into another op-ed in the news for gun control (after his death or capture).

    This just goes to show that in many of these multiple-killing rampage events, the perpetrator does not need a gun to be able to accomplish the killings.

    The obvious shouldn't have to be pointed out, but apparently it has to be said because some people don't get it: if gun control policies are used to reduce the number of gun homicides, you are going to get more homicides committed using other means.
    Sometimes homicides are committed simply because a person wants to carry out a homicide. In such cases, lack of access to a gun usually isn't going to stop that murder from taking place.
     
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    Now you well know if firearms were somehow to disappear overnight humanity would return to the peaceful, idyllic existence it enjoyed previously to the discovery of gunpowder! :rolleyes:
     
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    no gun? no one will care. if its not an excuse to disarm Americans, zero fux will be given by the typically otherwise 'so very empathetic' crowd.

    The problem is mental illness and its getting worse.
     
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    Lets see how long it will be before those who are so concerned about death by gun will now step up to the plate and demand knife and bat control, including background checks, testing , safety education and and a 5 day waiting period before taking possession of such weapons of war.

    I will wait for their concerned replies and thoughts on how we can bring a stop to this needless and easily preventable carnage.

    Cue up the crickets.
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I strongly believe it will not end. Even after guns are completely banned, the insane crusade to put us all in pink padded rooms for our own good will not end.
    15 Acid Attacks within a week in the UK: Most Take Place in London

    In London, a place where guns have practically been banned, they've been forced to implement knife control laws... and more recently even "acid control" laws due to a spate of horrific acid attacks on the street. Yeah, so much better than being shot with a bullet... (sarcasm).
    There have even been numerous repeated proposals for much more serious knife control laws, many of these proposals have almost become law. Where it would be illegal to have the wrong type of kitchen knife in your kitchen drawer, and scissors would not allowed to be sold with pointy tips. You can research the politics and history of these various knife control proposals in London and the UK on your own. A few teens have already been arrested and denied freedom on bail simply because they were carrying a large pocket knife in their belt while walking on the street, something that's completely normal in many parts of rural America.
     
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    An assault committed with a gun is more likely to result in a fatality. One cherry picked example doesn't prove otherwise. It's like arguing that seatbelts don't do any good because you can find an example of a person who died in a car crash while wearing a seat belt.
     
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    It still shows the real issue is violence, not guns.
     
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    Why would it?

    This stuff's been going on for 100,000 years.

    Some cave man bum rushed a cave and beat everyone to death with a club because he got a blackberry mixed in with his raspberries.

    Or maybe it was a strawberry.

    These so-called "mass" killings have been going on for 100,000 years.

    They're not gonna end just because guns are banned.
     
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    Ban Baseball.
     
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    Or, if one or more of the people in the "abode" had access to a gun.
     
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    Guns are the best defense against an assault.
    More Guns Less Crime
     
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    The corrupt irrational British ruling political class has made self defense a crime.

    "A PENSIONER has been arrested for murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death.

    Richard Osborn-Brooks, 78, was confronted by two intruders at his home while in bed with his wife in the early hours of yesterday. One, armed with a screwdriver, forced him downstairs into the kitchen while his accomplice searched the house.
    It is understood Mr Osborn-Brooks, who lives with his wife Maureen, 76, managed to overpower the man and stab him."
    THE SUN, 'BRITISH JUSTICE?' Fury grows at murder arrest of 78-year-old who ‘stabbed to death burglar in house raid’, By Brittany Vonow, Neil Syson, Rachel Dale, Dan Sales and James Mills, 4th April 2018.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5918750/homeowner-arrested-murder-stabbing-burglar-death/
     
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    Again false, the death rate for deadly attacks in the UK by weapon, proves that to be incorrect.
     
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    Yes and until that real problem is addressed the violence will increase, more so if the anti-gunners get their way and disarm the law abiding in the U.S.
     
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    True. I also noticed an increase in use of drugs that list "suicidal thoughts or actions" as side effects. Show me someone that doesn't value their own life and I will show you someone that doesn't value any life.
     
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    Incorrect.

    "Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss."
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
     
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    You are much more likely to survive being stabbed than being shot. Thus, more shootings and fewer stabbings would result in a higher homicide rate. The weapon type does make a very significant difference.

    "The beginning of the present exercise is found in a crude but suggestive set of ratios: the rate of homicide per 100 police reported attacks is about five times as great for firearms as for knives, the next most dangerous weapon available in Chicago's homicide experience. Since a very substantial part of Chicago's homicide rate appears to be attributable to ambiguously motivated deadly attacks, it seems clear that the deadliness of a particular weapon in an attack situation is a significant determinant of the homicide rate. If this is true, then the killing per 100 attack ratio cited above is a conclusive demonstration that the absence of firearms would depress the otherwise expectable homicide rate, unless the disproportionate number of killings per police reported attack could be explained by a plausible rival hypothesis."
    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/234128093.pdf
     
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    None of anything you post grants the government any power.
     
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    Re:
    Thank you.

    I've repeatedly said the same thing as I've cited an incident in NYC where a determined killer only wanted to kill his girlfriend but couldn't find a gun so he used a crude WMD that killed 86 other innocent people.

    If and when guns become hard to find, people will simply resort to crude but deadlier WMDs such as Anthrax, Molotov Cocktails, home made bombs, Bio-Chem weapons etc.

    The death toll in the "Happyland Fire" was higher than any mass shooting with any type of firearm anywhere.



    "Happy Land fire"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

    Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


     
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    If only there had been a good guy with a gun to stop him.
     
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    Biased source, and the data does not contradict the obvious fact that an armed society deters crime.

    Armed self defense is very effective, but is far from the only factor. Whenever a violent criminal is gunned down in the act the community as a whole benefits.
    Strict gun control empowers criminals.

    THE GUARDIAN, Rise in recorded crime is accelerating in England and Wales, Police figures show offences up 14% in a year, with knife and gun crime rising even more steeply, Alan Travis Home affairs editor, Thu 25 Jan 2018.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

    More Guns Less Crime.
     
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    Harvard's "studies" are infamous for their anti gun bias.

    For example:

    "Harvard: Millions of Dollars More For Gun Control"
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140912/harvard-millions-of-dollars-more-for-gun-control

    EXCERPT "However, Harvard’s School of Public Health already had a long record of aggressive support for gun control, largely funded by the Joyce Foundation and other progressive donors. Its Injury Control Research Center, led by anti-gun public health researchers David Hemenway and Matthew Miller, was the source of much of the biased anti-gun advocacy “research” that convinced Congress to prohibit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from paying for any more of it with the taxpayers’ money." CONTINUED
     
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    Drag a million dollars through a troop of Harvard academics and you will get all the fake data you want. ;-)
     
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    Norway Bow and Arrow Attack Leaves Several Dead
    Henrik Pryser Libell, October 13, 2021

    A man armed with a bow and arrow went on a rampage in the Norwegian town of Kongsberg, 50 miles away from Oslo, killing and wounding several people, the authorities said.
    The attack began when the assailant began making his way through the center of the town.
    The police said a suspect was arrested half an hour after the attack began.
    Across the country, the Norwegian police, who ordinarily are not armed, were given authorization to carry weapons "due to the serious incident in Kongsberg," the authorities said.​

    Sounds like it may be a terrorist attack. The police have not released any information about the suspect.
    The area around Oslo has a large number of refugees from the Middle East.
     
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    Where are the bow grabbers !!
     
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