Man-Made Global Warming Theory Takes Major Hit

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Another nail in the global warming hysteria coffin.

    "During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1 degree celsius because of carbon dioxide,” researchers at the University of Turku noted in their report (.pdf). “The human contribution was about 0.01 degrees celsius."
    The Finnish research has been collaborated by research from Kobe University in Japan.

    “New evidence suggests that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays affect the earth’s climate by increasing cloud cover, causing an ‘umbrella effect,'” the Japanese scientists concluded, noting that this natural phenomenon “has never been considered in climate predictions.”

    https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/07/11/man-made-global-warming-theory-takes-major-hit/
     
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    Fascinating. How did the researchers determine that CO2 only contributed 0.1C over the last 100 years? If it's true, that would be a massive blow to the AGW-theory.
     
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    Simply because cosmic rays cannot be weaponized in a political manner, or otherwise subjected to taxation as a means of fueling other programs.
     
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    There's a PDF link in the article to the actual study
     
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    Wait, we have people who believe global warming is man-made unironically?
     
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    surely they will let CalTech and MIT review their research.

    and then the IPCC will have a look.
     
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    One thing to quickly note here, even assuming that their data and analysis is accurate, is that they've only shown a correlation between cloud cover and temperature and not a causation. It's still possible that CO2 increase causes temperature increase which in turn causes cloud cover variation.
     
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    Is there a correlation between CO2 and cloud-cover changes? It seems more likely to me that the Sun and Earth's magnetic field control cloud-cover by modulating cosmic rays which then seed clouds. But it's not something I've seriously researched yet.
     
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    Climategate showed us studies like this don't very peer reviewed, they end up in the trash.
     
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    I'm no scientists but the study seems to show pretty conclusively that cloud cover has increased and that it has a blanket effect and that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays increase cloud cover.
     
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    No one knows how much global temperature rose over the last 100 years. There is no way to accurately measure global temperature, as we don't have near enough thermometers to do so. We also have no way of accurately measuring global CO2 content for similar reasons.
     
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    They didn't... They pulled their numbers out of their ass.

    The AGW-theory is already a massive blow to itself. It denies logic, science, and mathematics.

    AGW-theory does not define the term "global warming", nor the term "climate change", in a non-circular fashion... Science cannot address the unquantifiable. AGW-theory rejects the laws of thermodynamics, as well as the stefan-boltzmann law. It attempts to make heat flow backwards, it attempts to decrease entropy, and it attempts to increase temperature of Earth while decreasing radiance of Earth.
     
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    There is no way to measure global temperature, nor global CO2 content. We don't have near enough instrumentation. That instrumentation is not uniformly spaced nor is it simultaneously read by the same observer, thus there are location and time biases. Raw data needs to be used, variances need to be declared, margin of error needs to be calculated, etc... A few thousand thermometers are nowhere NEAR enough thermometers...
     
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    CO2 does not heat the Earth in any way, nor does any other magick gas. Heat cannot flow backwards...
     
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    Stinks on ice

    A) not peer reviewed
    B) not written in academic language
    C) very small reference list for what is supposedly a seminal paper
    D) most of the references are to previous papers written by the same authors
    E) one of the papers cited is yet to be published
    F) one of the papers cited has been published in the completely discredited “energy and environment”

    Previous papers have major issues with logic
    https://climatefeedback.org/claimre...ral-cloud-changes-can-explain-global-warming/
     
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    Basic science

    That is all it takes two minutes to google some basic science

    Wiki has a good explanation
     
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    upload_2019-7-16_7-34-34.jpeg

    Suggest you actually use google
     
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    Yes because they are trac
    Sh not worth peer reviewing

    Climategate is a conspiracy theroy website
     
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    And it doesn't, according to AGW theory. So who told you otherwise, and why did you believe such a nonsense claim?

    You're confusing heat and energy. Heat is a statistical quality, and heat always flows one-way in macroscopic systems, such as the earth's atmosphere. Energy is not a statistical quality, and energy free to flow any way at any time.

    An obvious fallacy of incredulity on your part, as illustrated by the fact we do measure such things.

    "Because I say so!" is not a convincing argument.

    Which are accounted for. Who told you it wasn't, and why did you believe such a nonsense claim?

    We all await your detailed statistical analysis which proves that's the case. You know, something other than your feelings.

    Me, I'll point out that you can randomly remove 90% of the measurements, and the results won't change. The demonstrates how robust the measurement network is.
     
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    Not to mention the accuracy of such minute measurements on a 1900 era thermometer.

    We didn't even have satellites until like 40 years ago.
     
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    The Earth being the center of the solar system was also peer reviewed.

    I like muh science by muh group consensus, even though muh group consensus isn't responsible for muh breakthrough understandins.
     
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    Being that temperature went in exactly the opposite way of what the cosmic ray theory predicted, the cosmic ray theory is quite dead. It failed as badly as a theory can fail, hence only the most fanatical cultists still cling to it.
     

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