Man says he was beaten in NYC for wearing MAGA hat

Well see but in this thread, that’s just a diversion from what the topic is which is inciting violence in the political arena. Trump has been and still is guilty of riling up mentally challenged followers to commit violent acts. That’s what we’re talking about here.

 

All that BS and you've got two names? This is the right wing threat? Pathetic!

 

Check the thread topic. "Man says he was beaten in NYC for wearing MAGA hat".

 

No actually we're talking about someone who was wearing a MAGA hat, likely a Trump supporter, who was viciously attacked. That's hardly Trump's fault.

 

Proportion, proportion

 

Whoever beat the guy with the Trump hat should be prosecuted.

 

As I said we have no real evidence WHO attacked him or why

 

So you are for political violence?

 

Make sense. Make sense.

 

And yet many are already blaming the President. Can you make sense of that?

 

Seems so. Random strangers attacking each other because they may be of different political opinions seems logical to many leftists.

 

And people still doubt those race/IQ studies?

#not

 

File this one under #metoo

 

As for Trump's next term, if there is one, I've given up on predictions. I lived, briefly, in the Soviet Union (Kharkov, now in Ukraine) in the mid-80s, went back for various reasons two or three times over the next five years, made several good friends there ... and when Communism collapsed, I was sure that we would have a liberal democracy from Leningrad to Vladivostock, maybe a bit crude and rough around the edges, but a liberal democracy nonetheless. After all, everyone I knew wanted that. Whoops. And then, on the other hand, I recall that that famous liberal hate-figure, Richard Nixon, who was going to bring fascism to the US, made the best move in foreign policy in a hundred years with his recognition of China. (He also did other things, domestically, of which liberals ought to approve, like the establishing the Environmental Protection Agency, Supplemental Security Income, the Clean Water Act. No gratitude, these people.) So I just hope.

As for separation. The first thing is just to raise the idea, which at first will seem shocking. So it must have been when Sam Adams and friends began talking about the same thing. Get it on the table, 'normalize' it. When you think of all the things we now take for granted, or just wearily accept, in the US that would have been met with utter derision if you had predicted them 30 years ago ... so first, just raise it as a possibility.

Then, get the lawyers to establish the legal details. The US, unlike some other democracies (Canada, the UK) does not have a provision for separation of its component parts. But it should, and the clever folks at the Federalist Society should start doing the research to lay the basis for it. It would probably require a Constitutional amendment to establish the legal grounds for separation of a state or states.

Difficult but do-able, especially if we can convince our friends on the Left that it would be a way for them to escape Trumpist-fascism if we neo-Nazi racists ever got a super-majority in Congress along with the Presidency and started to implement our genocidal homophobic sexist policies. (There's a Canadian lady writer who has a famous novel along these lines, and at this very moment, on an atheist forum I watch occasionally, they're making each other's flesh creep with a new fantasy in which in a future Amerikkka, we're all forced to worship Jesus and bathe at least once a week.)

Then someone, or some task force, needs to work out the actual mechanics of separation, after studying examples like the Czech/Slovak separation. Who gets the Federal Government property in each state, how do we divvy up the national debt, who pays the pensions, how do we keep Amtrak running and above all, how do we handle defense? Something like a North American NATO is probably what we'll come up with. All horribly tedious stuff, but there are people who are good at this sort of detail-work. Probably lawyers who do corporate de-mergers can help. The big thing is to avoid chaos -- to have a plan worked out in advance, so far as possible.

Then there's planning for what our new 'Old Republic' will look like. Again, this should be worked out as far in advance as possible, and a consensus on our side reached, so far as possible. This will be the most difficult part, by far. How libertarian will we be, how traditonally conservative? Let's not kid ourselves: there will be a strong current, in voice if not in numbers, for some sort of de facto whites-only republic. I think that would be a disastrous mistake, both morally and tactically. We basically should just want the old America, the America of Eisenhower and JFK, LBJ, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. A republic in which ordinary Democratic voters who are not flag-burners or reparation-seekers will be comfortable. (And in which neo-Nazis and KKKers are not.)

My own touchstone: no compulsory school prayer, but no 'naked public square' either. Respect for customs and traditions -- if there is a public monument to our fallen soldiers in the shape of a cross, leave it up. I'm an atheist, but I am happy that the very secular French Republic honors Notre Dame. It's really just common sense, something a lot of liberals actually used to have and some still do, when you talk to them privately.

Above all, no attempt to establish a pure conservative Utopia. Leave that sort of thinking to our friends on the Left. Commonsense, toleration, take-it-slow, compromise, no attempt to force anyone to be perfect.

Then of course encouragement for people to move from future Leftist areas into future Old Republic areas. Exact boundaries can't be established in advance, but it's pretty clear where the heartland will be. I doubt this will result in large population movements until maybe towards the end. It would be nice if some rightwing billionaire could build some new towns in the right areas -- places where you could be guaranteed not to step on poop on the sidewalks and where your children would not be taught that our Founding Fathers were racist homophobes.

Then there's the, er ... "physical" aspect. On some old cannons you can find inscribed something like Ultima Ratio Regum (just quoting from memory, probably the wrong declension), "The Final Argument of Kings". As Bismarck said, all the really important issues facing mankind are settled not by parliamentary majorities, but by blood and iron.

I won't go into this aspect any further except to say that everyone should own his own AR15 (get 'em while you can!), half a dozen magazines and a thousand rounds of ammunition and a flak vest. This can all be acquired for between $1000 - $2000 dollars, depending on the quality of weapon you want. (Thanks to this forum, reading things by people who know their stuff, I've learned a lot about AR15s ... basically, there are all kinds of weapons with that name. They fire the same calibre ammo but the mechanisms can be very different. But for social use it probably doesn't matter much.)

And all our young people should sign up for the National Guard (which they should do anyway).

There's no need to make a big deal of this aspect. It should be done as quietly and calmly as possible, always staying within the bounds of the law. There are a lot of people on our side with professional knowledge of this aspect of things who no doubt will have a lot more to say about material and other preparations (war is as much of a profession as medicine), but, with the Blessing, they won't actually be needed.

I think the key to a peaceful separation will be to convince the Left that they will be much happier with us gone. After all, we're mainly a bunch of semi-literate toothless mouth-breathing Bible-bashing rednecks living off Federal money anyway, so why would they want to share their future socialist paradise with us? Once we're out of the way, there will be more money to pay their own citizens, and they're going to get a lot of them coming over those open borders. So it'll be win-win all round!

 

Lol...You forgot to throw in a few more of your trite epithets about their splendid characteristics.
Odds are that the 3 latest mass murders in the US as of this morning were all committed by right-wing terrorists who suck at the teat of trump and his racist demagoguery.

 

Agreed; That is quite a possibility.

 

Totally logical. He marvels at the crowds demanding that minorities who are US citizens be deported for their opinions. The death threads sky rockets against those people. The was a nazi out massacring people who didn't leave fast enough. And in return, some idiot gets a bloody nose, and you lot go bohoo on that one.

 

So you approve of some levels of violence but not of others. Understood. You must have been your mother's favorite.

 

I felt the same but Nixon predicted that the remaining void would be filled by radical Islam.

Another case of myth overriding facts.

The problems began when the feds began usurping States rights. The changing from appointed Senators to Senators elected at large also contributed.

But then it's a matter of who goes where.

That would be Margaret Atwood, right?

Agreed. The people were much closer with each other when there was a draft. It was all 'Americans' then and not 'regions' or identity groups.

 

Not surprising at all.
Since tRUMP incites violence at some of his rallies. So it is expected to have violence when it involves tRUMP and tRUMPers.

 

Judaism is not a race.

Try to keep up.

 

The musket is a weapon of war.

And yes, people need semi-automatic weapons to defend themselves.

All laws restricting gun ownership are unconstitutional.

 

So Trump is responsible for a group of people attacking someone for no reason apart from the hat he was wearing? How stupid must these attackers be in order to do something like that? And you're one of them, huh?

And how do you explain the violence that occurred before Trump became President? Was Obama responsible for the killings in the Pulse Nightclub in Florida? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting

 

Did obama call for violence ever? tRUMP has.
tRUMP tweets attack twits almost every day. Odd, it's almost always towards non white people.

 

And yet it's the Leftists who react. Strange the effect he has on these idiots, isn't it? Perhaps they pay to much attention to their mentor. https://www.newsweek.com/maxine-wat...-nielsen-stephen-miller-sarah-huckabee-993173