Man says he was beaten in NYC for wearing MAGA hat

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  1. JessCurious

    JessCurious Well-Known Member

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    Basically, this is an arguement between those who believe in free speech (and in this case wearing
    a hat is 'speech') - Conservatives. And those who don't believe in free speech - in this
    case Liberals. Funny how liberals think free speech should apply only to them. Popular speech
    doesn't need protection, but unpopular speech does. Unpopular and 'wrong' are two different
    things. Everyone should be able to give their opinions without fear. The trend toward the left-
    wing suppression of free speech began on college campuses where left-wingers decided they
    had the right to shout-down, harass, and physically attack anyone with whom they disagreed, and spineless
    liberal college administrators failed to act to protect conservative speakers. Now, left-wingers
    such as the Antifa terrorists feel they can silence, with violence if they want, those with whom
    they disagree. When I was in school, we were taught the Voltaire quote, "I disagree with what
    you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Today, that noble sentiment is dead,
    killed first in institutions of "higher education", and now among the general public as these left-
    wingers have graduated and spread their intolerance to the general public.
     
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    The only myth is claiming it's a myth and your documentation can't be coming from an encyclopedia that records facts. The Republican way of documentation has been to find someone saying whatever lies they want to use for years, they spread misinformation as fast as the Russians do and both totally lack integrity. They can't take responsibility for **** and will reinvent themselves when it suits them. Organizations are focused on self preservation, much more than actual human life is.

    "In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]

    The "Southern Strategy" refers primarily to "top down" narratives of the political realignment of the South which suggest that Republican leaders consciously appealed to many white Southerners' racial grievances in order to gain their support.[5] This top-down narrative of the Southern Strategy is generally believed to be the primary force that transformed Southern politics following the civil rights era.[6][7] This view has been questioned by historians such as Matthew Lassiter, Kevin M. Kruse and Joseph Crespino, who have presented an alternative, "bottom up" narrative, which Lassiter has called the "suburban strategy". This narrative recognizes the centrality of racial backlash to the political realignment of the South,[8] but suggests that this backlash took the form of a defense of de facto segregation in the suburbs rather than overt resistance to racial integration and that the story of this backlash is a national rather than a strictly Southern one.[9][10][11][12]

    The perception that the Republican Party had served as the "vehicle of white supremacy in the South", particularly during the Goldwater campaign and the presidential elections of 1968 and 1972, made it difficult for the Republican Party to win back the support of black voters in the South in later years.[4] In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.[13][14]"

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

    It's always the same bullshit with right wingers, they lie as if someone is stupid enough to believe their lies. Nothing exists, because they can pay a fool to pretend it doesn't exist and write something about it. That's all the proof they need.
     
  3. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Donor

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    There are still liberals around who believe in Free Speech -- see this article -- but they seem to be a declining band. The critical thing is that the abandonment of Free Speech -- more precisely, the demonizing of conservative ideas -- has happened in American academia, where our future ruling class is trained. So it's only going to get worse. We need to look at trends, and the logic of the anti-free-speech Left. If an idea should not have a platform on a college campus, then why should it have a platform or means of expression anywhere?

    In the 1930s, large numbers of liberals went along with the Communists, who had a very definite attitude towards free speech -- or even life itself -- for 'counter-revolutionaries'. Of course they could not enforce it in the US, but they did where they had power, in Russia, and many liberals effectively approved of what went on there. Liberalism is a disposition, not an ideology, and a lot of well-meaning people with a vague disposition cannot resist a dedicated well-organized group with a strong ideology. Liberals today are eaten up with white guilt, and cannot resist anyone who pushes that button.

    However, we're not going to see the closure of conservative magazines for a good many years, and jailing people for commiting Thoughtcrime is still for the future. The next steps will be shutting us out of social media, lawsuits for 'mental distress', and similar soft-fascist techniques.

    Now I'll play that broken record again: we need to begin thinking about separation. Of course, try to defend Traditional America everywhere, but that's a losing battle. We need to start talking up the idea of going our separate ways.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know, personal responsibility is so passe for the left.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like the collusion delusion?
     
  6. Gary/Dubya

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    My mother went shopping in Augusta, Ga with other Yankee women and the natives of that area would have had to have know there were people not familiar with their ways living amongst them, because it went on for awhile to build a major facility to make heavy water. If you sat in the wrong section of a restaurant, the Black people wouldn't tell someone until they asked why they weren't being served. The water fountains were more a ha ha event, it isn't like women dragging kids around were on the alert for signs to tell them how to function.
     
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    Like tRump and the Republicans are taking responsibility? Anything tRump touches will pay a price.
     
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    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    At some point, lies don't work.
     
  9. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Well-Known Member

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    No, they don't have a clue what a racist is because Judaism is not a fricking race.

    And please post one thing Trump said that was racist.

    *crickets*
     
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    LOL, the price of historic low unemployment, rising wages, etc.. You get the picture.
     
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    You should know.
     
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    Lincoln had grave doubts about blacks. He wasn’t sure they were intellectual equals with whites, and he wasn’t sure how well they would function if free. But he detested laws that denied them equal opportunity. He thought they should be allowed the freedom to go as high as their hard work and talents would take them.
     
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    What difference does it make?

    Me and a lot of other people who think it's sensible. No one needs a weapon of war to "defend" themselves.


    Laws and rules (regarding weapons of war) are not unconstitutional....there a tons of them.
     
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    lol
    Yeah. Jews not knowing wat racism is.... you make a strong case.
     
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    Decency = Political correctness in many cases
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Donor

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    Which violence are you referring to and how do you decide their 'wing'?
     
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    Trump's impeachment was being called for on his first day in office and since there has been a phony Russian collusion investigation. Former government officials and the MSM have called him a 'traitor' and accused him of 'treason'. This hatred being spread by the left, and here is their spokesperson putting it all together in one package, with no objections from any Democrats I've noticed. https://www.newsweek.com/maxine-wat...-nielsen-stephen-miller-sarah-huckabee-993173
     
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    He says bad things, huh? And people use this as an excuse to attack others. Odd times.
     
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    Trump was calling for his opponent to be locked up throughout his campaign and the so called conservative media was calling her crooked Hillary. Today’s political climate is very volatile. However this inciting people to violence right at his own rallys on national tv is uniquely Trumpian, I am against anyone being attacked either physically or verbally in public for wearing a political hat or having a bumper sticker. Both of these incidents of assault on people are disgusting.
     
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    And records will show that Blacks drifted to the Democrats during the FDR Administration because of the enactment of social programs. This was long before any mythical 'Southern Strategy'.

    https://www.proquest.com/blog/pqblog/2016/1936-Black-Voters-Leave-the-Party-of-Lincoln.html
     
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    I have no respect for someone who expresses their opinion by viciously beating someone because they don't approve of their hat.
     
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    I come to the table totally different from you.

    I once was a very devout Democrat. As you are today. I would argue with any republican that they were greedy, rich and sucked the life out of the poor.

    So why did I quit being that sort of believer.

    STUDY

    I picked up entirely by happenstance a very good book. I took the time to read it. Why read it? The book came across as a demonization of Richard Nixon. I hated the man as you hate Trump. I do not enjoy being a token by Democrats. I studied more and more. i learned much more by careful several years long study. I came out a republican,

    Democrats have the party ideology of part communist, part socialist and damned manipulative. I could no longer live that life. But to a died in the wool Democrat, my story matters not one bit. They are as hateful today as when I was one of them.
     
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    Or it could have been a white supremacist republican who hates minorities.
     
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    But Hillary Clinton was crooked and her lying before Congress demonstrated that. Trump did say during the debate that she'd be in jail, not without cause, but it was his supporters saying 'lock her up', and why shouldn't they? Much worse has been said about Trump.

    We are in complete agreement about people being physically attacked or, I might add, public property being destroyed.
     
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    How about shooting up a store full of people? Shooting up mosques? Shooting up synagogues?
     
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