Man sentenced to life in prison for sex with 13 year old

Democrats would have us believe that gay teens having sex with adults is entirely ok. See the recent law passed in CA... Hell, they even let the president put young girls on his lap to sniff at public events...

 

Believing something is not okay is still not the same thing as believing that thing deserves to be punished with extremely long prison sentences.

Example: I may not approve of a woman getting an abortion in many situations, but I would not advocate a life in prison sentence as punishment.


And yes, I would agree with you there certainly is a big gulf of difference between the way progressives see things and the perspective through which conservatives see these type of things.
But this might be a case where the "typical conservative" perspective is wrong here.
Saying that this man deserves life in prison is as whacky and insane to me as saying that what this man did was 100% okay and should be celebrated.

 

It's not so simple as that.

Yes, the law does allow this sentence, but that does not mean it is reasonable or right.

In essence, the law basically defines statutory rape as "molestation" when anal sex was involved.

I'm pretty much 100% sure that the legislators who originally passed this law did not have in mind this specific type of situation.
(Most of the time in this type of situation that type of act would be a strong indicator that is was undesired and traumatic for the victim, but that reasoning mostly no longer applies when the perpetrator met the victim through a gay hook up app and expressed the intention of having sex. The thing is, most females really do not want anal but it is common for men to pressure of coerce them into it, which would tie very much into the issue of an illegal age difference.)

 

On the sentence. Folks should know the law. Simple as that. As a probationed sex offender, they likely also understood penalties for engaging in their criminal behavior. And while I don't see the value of life in prison for what is arguably a consensual (if a 13yo can legally provide it) I don't see that the penalty supports the set of facts. But, I also don't know what if any contributory factors in the sentencing were, so I hate to second guess what perhaps is a legislative requirement without know if there is one, or that it made for this kind of requirement (ie 3 strikes in CA).

 

That's largely besides the point and irrelevant. Knowing the penalties for something still does not make those penalties right.

 

I believe I addressed that as well.

 

Yes, it is.

 

Rape does not have to be forcible. The guy knew he was doing wrong. Sex with children is rape.

How did you arrive at your definition of 'traditional' molestation? And does everyone agree with it? I don't. How did you arrive at your percentage? What is the formula?

I was raised to respect adults. They were to be presumed to have moral authority. This person abused that presumed authority.

Way to be racist, implying that African Americans are oversexed.

Pedophiles tend to commit this same crime over and over. This guy is a repeat offender. He either can't or won't control himself.

Statutory rape/molestation isn't really about the child's capacity to understand sex. If two thirteen year olds have sex, no crime is committed. It is about the adult's use of moral authority to coerce sex from a child who doesn't really have the capacity to resist.

 

NO.

Do you think raping a child is grossly excessive and unjust?

Or just kinda naughty....??????????

 

What a shame.There are plenty of 18 year olds he could of had

 

Are you playing semantic word games again, like you seem so fond of doing in other topics?

I'm going to assume you're not stupid and have followed at least some of the dialogue in this thread.

I'm not going to waste time responding to your posts that use ambiguous words with implied meanings that you can later just deny when you're confronted about it.

Now, what type of "rape" were you talking about?
Real rape, or just pretend rape?

 

What goes under the name "statutory rape" is not really rape, certainly not in the same sense that actual rape is.

It depends very much how old the child was.

Would you not agree that with the age involved here the situation was very borderline?

There is such a thing as molestation, and there is such a thing as "statutory rape" (a 21 year old having sex with a 16 year old for example) but what happened here doesn't seem to conveniently fit into either of those categories. It is somewhere in the twilight zone between those two.

Sorry, but if the "child" met you on a gay hookup site and was willing to send you pictures of his genitals and have sex with you, that is just not "rape". At least not anywhere near the conventional meaning of the word.

 

I've read numerous documentaries. It's very common in African American neighborhoods for relatives and parents to encourage their daughters not to go to the police with rape accusations, because they believe that the boy who raped her would get excessive punishment and it would ruin the boy's life. Especially if it was a neighborhood boy and they knew the parents. ("boy" meaning around the ages of 16 to 20)

The plain truth is that African American and Hispanic communities very much tend to be much more sexed than East Asian or White communities.

One could speculate whether this is due to culture, or testosterone levels, or the part of the brain that has to do with discipline and self-control. (I'll be honest and admit I don't really know)

 

The BOLD text above is a FALSEHOOD!

That is the kind of bovine excrement that is all too common on extremist rightwing racist white supremacists DISINFORMATION websites.

Sad!

 

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Do you think raping a child is grossly excessive and unjust?
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Or just kinda naughty....??????????

There is no such thing as "pretend rape"....rape is rape and denying children can be raped is sick...


Do you think raping a child is grossly excessive and unjust?
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If "rape is rape", and it's as plain and simple as that, then what happened here was not rape. Why do you have to be so disingenuous?

 

Obviously you have never spent any amount of time around Black or Hispanic teenagers, in settings that are majority non-white.

I'm sure a lot of these people in these communities would not think they are any more sexed than people in White circles are, but that is simply because they do not have a point of reference to make any comparison.

What I've noticed in my many years on the planet is we all have an automatic tendency to just assume everyone else is the same as us. In habits, beliefs, abilities, behaviors, etc. But it's often just not true.

I think a lot of people just have a lot of ignorance and naivety about many things.

We all form our beliefs based on our own individual life experiences, along with anecdotal experiences of others that were conferred to us; and I have enough of them related to this subject to fill an entire thread.
If you want me to start a separate thread on this topic, and provide the link to that thread here, I will.

You think it's bovine excrement just because you don't believe it, or don't want to believe it.

I do wonder which one of us is the one with the (bigoted) closed mind here.

 

There is no such thing as "pretend rape"....rape is rape and denying children can be raped is sick...


Do you think raping a child is grossly excessive and unjust?
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""sex with a 13 year old"" is rape ...... saying that it isn't is sick.


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Do you think raping a child is grossly excessive and unjust?
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You FAILED to substantiate your egregious bovine excrement FALSEHOODS from racist white supremacist DISINFORMATION sources and INSTEAD just engaged in PUERILE flamebaiting ad homs in VIOLATION of PF Rules.

SAD!

 

I'll grant it was not forcible rape. Statutory rape is a different crime. Sex with a child has definite psychological consequences. It can and should be punished harshly. Yes it matters how old the child is. The younger the child the worse it is. This kid was barely a teenager. It's pretty bad, nowhere near any kind of border.

Not really. There's no twilight zone here. Sex with kids is wrong.

It is indeed rape. It may not have been forcible, but it was still rape.

There are very real psychological consequences when a child has sex. Playing a semantic game as you are doing here seems to trivialize them.

 

I don't disagree it has psychological consequences and that this case probably deserves some punishment. But the psychological consequences of rape are (hopefully you will agree) probably far worse than what happened here.

In addition to that... and this is where it starts getting controversial (and I don't want that to derail us too far off topic)... there is also the factor that this child was Black.
I really think that should be considered as a factor, if we are to be completely fair.
That child very probably grew up in an oversexed culture and was probably going to start having sex at a very young age anyway, if he had not started already. In the context of that, having a particular single sexual encounter would be less likely to result in sexual "trauma".

(I'm not saying we should just automatically assume this for all Black children, but the point is some specific consideration needs to be given to the child's background. The notion of blind "equality" just doesn't really make sense and is not fair to any of the parties involved)

It was also a boy, rather than a girl, so again, probably less sexual trauma there. (And we know the child was gay so it's not like the fact the sex was with a man created trauma, although I would grant that this would work in the opposite direction if we didn't know the child's sexual orientation)

 

The question isn't whether it is wrong; the question is how much punishment does the offender in this particular situation deserve. i.e. how wrong is it exactly, the degree of wrongness

It would be wrong for you to slap me in the face, but that doesn't mean you deserve life in prison for it.

I was just pointing out that this particular case has much more in common with a statutory rape case than it does a molestation case.

No it's not.
It's not either rape or not rape. There is a spectrum that exists between those two.

I don't even think the term rape is the most appropriate word to use here, since the word can have a wide umbrella of meanings and the meaning you are using it to refer to here is not necessarily the most obvious one.

Look, I recognize forcible/coerced sex is rape, and non-forcible molestation is also rape, but what happened here does not so easily fall into either of those two categories.

 

Did that actually happen here?

 

This is where you're wrong. The purpose of prisons is not solely to punish. They are also supposed to reform the convict- which they do badly, particularly with sex offenders- and separate him from society.This last bit is the important part with this guy, as far as I'm concerned. He's proven that: one, he's not safe around kids; and two, he can't or won't reform. Ergo, he needs to be set apart from us. Prison is the place for that.

If I went around slapping people, I could expect jail time in increasing amounts.

Let's get straight what rape is: it is having nonconsensual sex. It can be either forcible or statutory. The reason statutory rape is rape is that children are not legally able to consent to sex, just as they are not allowed to drink or, in some states, smoke. There's no getting around this guy raped the kid and he wasn't going to stop raping kids on his own. There is no spectrum he either had sex with the kid or he didn't. In this case he did. It was, in fact, rape. [/QUOTE]

 

Yes, he's not safe around kids that are out looking for sex and willing to have sex with an adult man. (That is not a normal kid!)
Did you even stop for a moment to think about your logic on this one??
Is this really the type of individual society needs to protect themselves from? (like rapists and murderers) I don't think so.


Again, I recognize this situation might be totally different if the man had lured the victim with a fake picture. But that does not appear to be the case here.