Man who claimed dead wife’s mail-in ballot showed voter fraud accused of voting twice

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  1. cristiansoldier

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    Man who claimed dead wife’s mail-in ballot showed voter fraud accused of voting twice
    https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-t...t-showed-voter-fraud-accused-of-voting-twice/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ed-his-dead-wife-is-charged-with-voter-fraud/

    "AS VEGAS (KLAS) — A Las Vegas man is accused of forging his dead wife’s signature on her ballot, mailing it in and then claiming it had been stolen, prosecutors said. The I-Team was first to report that man is now facing charges.

    Donald “Kirk” Hartle, 55, faces two charges relating to the 2020 election, records showed. The charges come after an investigation from the Secretary of State’s Office, which investigates any voter fraud allegations in connection with the Nevada Attorney General’s Office.

    Rosemarie Hartle, of Las Vegas, died in 2017 at age 52 from breast cancer, Kirk Hartle, told the I-Team in November. A ballot for Rosemarie was issued in October and later received by the county, but Kirk said the ballot never came to his house. The I-Team found even though Rosemarie died in 2017, her name appeared on the active voter list.

    Rosemarie’s signature matched what Clark County officials had on records, officials said, and the vote was counted.

    “That is pretty sickening to me to be honest with you,” Kirk Hartle told the I-Team in an interview last year. “It was disbelief. It made no sense to me, but it lent some credence to what you’ve been hearing in the media about these possibilities and now it makes me wonder how pervassive is this?”

    “Have you started to think about the possibilities here?” the I-Team’s David Charns asked Kirk Hartle in November. “If it was taken in the mail? If it was taken from your mailbox? Have you started to think about that?”

    “I’ve wondered about how that could have happened,” he said.

    “Do you have any speculation?” Charns asked. Hartle laughed and said, “I don’t.”
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    I came across this story and find it fascinating. If the charges are true what would possess a middle aged business executive to try this voter fraud stunt? The amount of fraud is a single vote so he should know that it will not affect the election outcome but now he faces 2 felonies counts of 4 years each and up to $5000 in fines. I would also guess there is a good chance he would lose his job if convicted. This one action could ruin his life.

    Was it simply for the fame? Apparently he approached the news network to do interviews about the fraud and was even featured on Tucker Carlson's show.

    Did he think he could get the election overturned?

    The risk / gain ratio makes no sense to me. Is he so invested in the election results that he would risk everything to try to get it overturned?
     
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    For ONE Vote?

    I still say that the number of people willing to risk committing a major crime for ONE vote is so small as to be insignificant.
     
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    Indeed. But it didn’t stop Tucker Carlson and his ilk from hyping the hell out of it…
     
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    This is the second thread on the same topic. I read the first thread so I did not click on links is my data is somewhat limited I did not see what side the person voted for.

    Regardless of which side they voted for you can't point out one isolated incident and try to say oh well this proves that the other side is responsible for the majority of voter fraud I mean you can claim that but no one's going to take you seriously.

    If that's what you were implying here you need to show a clear pattern
     
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    the right said dead people were voting for the other side, turns out the dead people were voting for Trump... Sad!
     
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    It's as though you totally ignored the content of my post. Why even bother to reply?

    Great you may have found one isolated incident even though I'm not certain who it says this person voted for now you only need to find a whole bunch more to form a pattern
     
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    This kinda proves the easiness of successfully committing voter fraud. The dead wife was on the voting roll since 2017, and no one would have noticed that she voted if Hartle hadn't used it as an example of voter fraud. I can't see any reason someone wouldn't be able scale dead voters by harvesting information while they're alive and casting ballots before and after death.

    The government hasn't provided any real details about their case. They didn't drop a single piece of evidence proving Hartle committed voter fraud.
     
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    yes, and how many dems voted for dead people, imagine if this had been a Biden voter vs a Trump voter, the other side would have gone nuts

    that is my point - they always search for these, these are easy to find

    neither side is winning elections with the votes of dead people, get it now

    the guy was a republican
     
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    As I already said due to limited data I have not been able to click on the link and the article or the op does not State who this person voted for. have you been able to see it?
     
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    the other republican voting for dead people got 5 years probation, hand slaps

    "Man admits to voter fraud in casting dead mother’s ballot"

    https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-government-and-politics-d34effeea6c341d6c44146931127caff

    "was sentenced Friday to five years of probation."

    and

    "Besides his probation term, he will not be allowed to vote in an election for four years"

    lucky he wasn't a democrat, they would have thrown the book at him
     
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    proves if you do it, you will get caught, both sides check for this
     
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    You can't see the forest for the trees..

    Republican or Democrat.... there may have been voter fraud .... why did it allegedly happen?

    Please don't confuse requested absentee ballots with mass mail out ballots...

    Did the dead person request the ballot as an "absentee ballot".... nope.... did the dead person receive a "mass mail out ballot" just sent out in mass to those on the voter roll.... more than likely.... Was a dead person's name removed from the voter roll as should be .... does not look like it... did the dead person receive an unrequested "mass mail out ballot" because her name was not purged from the voters role... yep
    This should not have been allowed to happen because Nevada created this scenario in 2020 "along party lines" for the possibility for voter fraud by her husband or other persons to intervene by proactively sending unrequested "mass mail out ballot" to all voters on an incorrect unpurged voter roll.
     
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    both sides check for these, that is the point, they are found
     
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    That seems rather harsh given how common election fraud is in America.
    It may be time to just admit the truth and have Congress declare election rigging the national sport. ;-)
     
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    Zero is the number we are looking for.... that does not seem to be the case
     
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    never gona get zero, always gonna be someone stupid trying

    especially with the cult leader telling people to vote twice, they voted twice, like Trump told them too
     
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    unless you're black and denied your right to vote, then you get a 5 year prison sentence for voting once

    is voting a right or a privilege that can be revoked?

    "Black woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for illegal voting files new appeal"

    https://news.yahoo.com/black-woman-sentenced-5-years-173558169.html
     
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    She should call Donna Brazile as a character witness.

    “Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.

    I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had ***rigged*** the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions…”

    POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
     
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    He finally got his 15 minutes of fame.
     
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    like Trump, many states did not even allow republicans to vote in a primary in 2020, they just picked Trump for them

    talk about ***rigged*** the nomination process, I am sure the Republican National Committee is looking into this

    https://fortune.com/2019/10/10/trump-2020-republican-primaries-cancelled/

    "Kansas, Alaska, South Carolina, Arizona, and Nevada have all canceled their Republican primaries/caucuses in order to throw their support fully behind President Donald Trump"

    I do agree though, Bernie would have won in 2016
     
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    But when it is proven this guy submitted his dead wife's ballot, you will certainly agree that is voter fraud, correct?

    That's enough for now...

    I'm not sure how being charged with voter fraud proves the "easiness of SUCCESSFULLY committing voter fraud", but OK....
     
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    After 4+ years of nonsense, it's hard to identify the absolute dumbest things T**** said or did, but saying people go out to the parking lot to change clothes and come in to vote again has to rank up there...

    https://time.com/5455294/trump-new-voter-fraud-allegations-change-clothes/
     
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    I see it on both sides and it should be ZERO . you have to have ID even if the Government pays for those.
     
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