Manchester bomber identified: Geoffrey James Smith, white Anglo Saxon Protestant.

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    The purpose of terrorism in war is to convince the other guys soldiers not to fight or to surrender. It is directed at soldiers in the main not civilians. That was the whole idea behind the shock and awe campaign in Iraq and it largely worked. It also saved a lot of civilian lives, since we avoided thereby having to root a lot of Iraqi army units out of cities and towns. ISIS and Al Qaeda are fighting a war by trying to kill and terrorize the other sides civilian rather than it's soldiers. Even worse they are willing to use their own civilians as fodder for this war of theirs by purposely placing them in harms way.
     
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    You use a smaller weapon if you can get one on target.
     
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    They used a 500ib guided missile to kill a sniper on a roof top resulting in the destruction of the building killing 200 civilians who were told to shelter in the basement.
     
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    In which weird dictionary did you use for the definition of terrorism!
     
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    The one in which to terrorize is to cause fear and or panic.
     
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    Hindsight is always 20/20 had ISIS let the civilians leave they'd likely now be alive. The sniper put those people at risk and so did his superiors.
     
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    'A terrorist is someone with a bomb, but not an air force'. Should we examine America's record of state sponsored terrorism, along with the arming and support of terrorist groups? Seems to me it's an ongoing theme.
     
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    Hindsight? What are you on? A 500lb bomb is designed to demolish buildings! Your logic is weird in your unmoving justification in the massacre of civilians. Those civilians were supposed to be liberated from their sieged city, not liberated from Earth.
     
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    Indeed. Well said.

    Listing individual nut jobs in order to come to the conclusion that everything's fine in the Muslim world, that Islam doesn't have a serious problem? Sorry, that's just plain foolishness.

    Yup.

    The preponderance of those who scream "Allahu akbar" before blowing themselves up (and taking as many infidels as they can with them) would seem to provide a clear indication of where the problem lies. It may not be the only problem, but it most definitely is a problem.

    It would seem they believe that we all need to all join hands in support of open borders, the freedom to specify our personal gender, and the idea that the United States is not a particularly special place. It matters not that we are now dealing with a group of people from a specific religious group who wish to kill us and destroy what we believe in, all in the name of some warped understanding of what God is looking for from them.

    Folks can now be placed into one of two groups: those who recognize that fact, and those who refuse to.
     
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    And you would be the infidel the sheikh is referring to.

    I don't know what you think you proved with that.

    One post on the internet saying Muslims should, but won't, support the family because those who did would be frowned on by Islamic leaders doesn't prove your point at all.

    The post got 10k likes? Yeah? How many Muslims in the world there bro? A couple billion?
     
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    I think you're missing the point: McVeigh, Robert Louis Dear, et al. were deranged lunatics acting on their own agenda, or following the voices in their heads, etc.. The Jihadis are an organized global cabal whose stated goal is the destruction of the West.

    By the way, if you are going to use the term "Right Wing terrorist" you need to include the Jihadis on your list. They are blowing up eight-year-old girls to "please god." They are hanging homosexuals from construction cranes to "please god." They are stoning rape victims to death to "please god." They are beheading infidels to "please god." You think Trump is a homophobic misogynist? Brother, you ain't seen nothin yet.

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    It went way over your head! You should brush up on reading comprehension skills
     
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    Your logic is weird Isis prevented civilians from fleeing a combat zone for no other reason than to use them to provoke the exact sort of nonsensical comparisons you are making.
     
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    Ye Gods how many times do I have to explain this, The job of an airforce is to attack a military target. Sometimes civilians and military targets exist in the same location. IN war this is unavoidable. And ISIS and Al Qaeda do everything in their power to make it happen when they are the ones on the receiving end. When they are delivering they go out of their way to make sure there are as few military and police targets in the general vicinity as they can. If nothing else differentiate between the goals. The goal of ISIS and Al Qaeda, however crazy it may seem to us, is to establish a world spanning caliphate with them sitting in the power positions our goal is to prevent that.
     
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    Uh huh. So I guess the carpet bombing of German cities during WW2, and the carpet bombing of South East Asia was all military targets, right? Wrong; Germany, in particular, was a deliberate attempt to flatten centres of population, with the sole intention of destroying civilian morale. It didn't work.
     
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    The civilians were told by the US and Iraqi government to not leave the city.
     
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    Bullshit, ISIS refused to allow them to leave we told them to take shelter if they were unable to get out.
     
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    Total war without smart weapons sucks. There wasn't a city in Germany that wasn't engaged in manufacturing weapons of war. How much longer would you have preferred WWII to go on?
     
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    No, your poorly worded mention of an obscure Facebook quote that you google-translated, which you didn't even link to, is apparently going over your head.

    The best you can come up with where Muslims are thanking these guys for intervening is some random, unnamed Iraqi guy saying "while Islamic leaders will just call these guys stupid Infidels, I think they did a good thing".

    Again, that proves my point a lot more than it does what you're trying to infer.
     
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    He said terrorism in war.
     
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    https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-re...oalition-airstrikes-after-being-told-not-flee

     
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    The post does not say "Islamic leaders", it says a "sheikh racist" in reference to your good buddies in Saudi Arabia. And here is your original post

    "Great. Let's see if the Muslim community comes forward to recognize their liberal hero's and thank them for their selfless sacrifice."

    where a 10,000 plus from the opposite side of the world openly "recognized their liberal hero's and thank them for their selfless sacrifice." You really think that I'm going to link to a post on my personal facebook page or even link to the poster of the original post so that you or others can spam him with insults! Do you agree with the words used by the murderer towards the two women?

    Oh, and the Muslim community have now raised over $450,000 to go to the families of the two who were murdered. What do you say to that?
    https://www.launchgood.com/project/muslims_united_for_portland_heroes#/
     
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    http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/iraqi-forces-tell-mosul-civilians-stay-away-targets/
     
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    Well I'm glad you asked.

    So much to deconstruct here.

    First of all I like how you brought SA into it as an example of "bad Muslims" since they've developed a relationship with the POTUS. Now you can classify them as mediocre muslims I guess. Uncle Mohammads, whatever.

    Second, I question the existence of said Facebook page. Lefties and their unsubstantiated references eh?

    Third, your reasoning is just dumb. It's like saying "I'm not going to quote that forum post that's in a public forum on the internet cause ppl might see it and be mean". Give me a break.

    Fourth, we have no idea of knowing if the 10k likes are valid, or are even coming from Muslims, or even is an accurate number you've given us.

    Fifth, I took a look at the crowd funding page. While I greatly enjoyed the group photos of a bunch of white liberals and what may be one Muslim guy, what we have here are a bunch of guilty white liberals tripping over themselves to donate their own money so that "Muslims don't look bad".

    Lastly, I don't agree with the words of the murderer. In fact, I doubt the murderer and I agree on much of anything because:

    THE KILLER WAS A LIBERAL BERNIE SANDERS VOTER/SUPPORTER.
     

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