Man's inhumanity to man.

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Two mad dog jihadists apprehended whilst returning to the UK, and what happens? Why this happens . . .

    "The BBC understands the pair have been stripped of their UK citizenship."

    I'll bet they're devastated! lol This is what their real reaction is . . .

    :roflol::roflol:

    . . . especially when they then read this . . .

    "Tobias Ellwood told two newspapers it was important that "terrorists from any origin are transparently and fairly held account for their actions".

    So what possible defence can they use for a record of decapitations and setting fire to caged western captives? I despair of the fools who are running my country, I really do.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43014215
     
  2. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem is that those two guys will ne be sentenced to the only sentence possible : death.

    They took part of genocide, slavery but never the laxist western country justice will give them what they deserve.
     
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    Whilst I am oppose to the death penalty in general; I do not think incarcerating these in the UK's prison system will amount to much as our prisons are on the lenient side of justice, however they should certainly not be allowed to enter the UK or it territories again!
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many times do we hear that a perpetrator of an atrocity was 'On the security services' radar'? So it looks like they are able to carry out the atrocity, and only then will they undergo due process. Honestly they're laughing their heads off at all of us. If they don't care about being killed, they sure ain't gonna worry about a prison stretch, with 4 meals a day and snooker tables provided. The stupidity of the west never ceases to amaze me.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They're mad dogs, and mad dogs should be shot dead with extreme prejudice.
     
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    Our society would not allow this to happen; capital punishment is no longer used in the UK and many other developed countries.
    Should they be locked up in a small cell without TV's, radio and exercise equipment? Maybe.
    I think 23 hours in the cell and 1 hour to have a walk is the way the UK prison service should be run.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know. That's where we're going wrong, and why they'll win.
     
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    It is a fact that in today's society, terrorism thrives; this is because the justice system need to consider the terrorists human rights.
    Going against Labour party policy; I do believe that if someone takes away somebody else's human rights, they should automatically lose theirs.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're way out of your depth on this subject.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So now you want to incarcerate people for having thoughts that you don't like?
     
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    The problem is not only the fact they go in prison, it is they finally go out of prison. In France, we are judging a guy who host terrorists. He already killed one of his friend for a cellphone problem at 16, he was sentenced at 18, he was out of prison at 23 YO.
    At 25 he was involved in terrorist attack.

    How many years of prison he risk ? Life sentence. No, 5 years.

    That's what is France today, a country where a murderer is free after 7 years and when he can participate in a mass murder and get only 5 years of prison.
     
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    Being a djihadist is not simply "having thoughts you don't like", it's supporting a mass murder and slaver ideology.
     
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    lol there is nothing more to say
     
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    Killing them is not the answer; remember people with these extreme beliefs may also blow themselves up as well with an IED.
    You only need to look back to the Manchester attack. You cannot simply kill every suspect involved in terrorism or warped ideology.
     
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    That's true, but doing nothing is condoning and supporting their sick deeds. As long as they are alive, they can commit more crimes of humanity. How long will we sit back and justify evil? Truly, the west is as much at fault when we do nothing. Not even one word for the poor folks who were tortured and died, nor their families. Sir, you are making me believe you are no better than the murderers.
     
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    Someone who support mass murder don't have only thoughts I don't like, they have thougts who lead to acts who kill people.

    I don't know how it is in the UK, but where I live, if you says "kill all muslims", "kill all jews" or "kill all white people", you can go in prison. Do you blame that kind of justice who put in prison people who says "kill all muslims" ?
    So why is it shocking to put in prison people who says "kill all non muslims" ?

    Or are you just a muslim supremacist ?
     
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    Obviously you don't know the difference between thoughts and words intended to incite violence.

    Speech that incites violence is a crime irrespective of what is actually said.

    But simply believing that "mass murder and slaver ideology" are somehow justified is NOT a crime.

    Racist white supremacist nazi *******s have every right to believe in their vile and odious misconceptions as do Islamic extremists and all the other kinds of fanatical religious zealots.

    When you imprison them merely for having those beliefs then you become no different to them in principle.

    These basic concepts of freedom of speech and religion are enacted in both the US and French constitutions.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What, so you think 'the answer' is they should just be allowed to kill with impunity, and to keep on killing with impunity until eventually they're caught, sentenced, and then to carry on with the killing as soon as they're released from prison? DUH! :wall: Jeez-US! They must love liberals like you for making it easy for them! Bloody hell, what on earth is it that makes you tick?
     
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    If they can't ever be released from prison, no point in keeping them alive.
    Inhumane.
     
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    I don't rape 14 YO girls every day, so yes I'm different from radical islamists.
    I'm not for forbidding every ideology I don't agree with, otherwise I would be to put in prison both racists and alt left.

    Radical islam declared a total war to the european civilization.

    In the 40's, if you were a nazi in the US or the UK, where did you think you were send ? Prison, if you were lucky.
    When a group declare war to you, associating to them is treason.

    We should let only two choice for radical muslims in Europe : leaving or prison.
     
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    Do you think killing them would stop others avenging their deaths?
    In the UK the death sentence is no longer an option ,therefore like it or not, the outcomes are prison time or refusal of re-entry to the UK.
    I understand what you're saying about the death penalty outcome, and yes, it will prevent them for killing anyone else; this isn't an option here, so we have to accept the only remaining outcomes.
     
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    Hopefully your way of thinking is not widespread amongst the good people of France.

    I would hate to see a nation that has given so much to civilization be dragged down to the level of irrational white supremacists.

    The French deserve better than that.
     
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    It goes without saying that their acts are deplorable. We all think for the families during the hardship they are facing; equally we think of the victims that have died mercilessly at those of extreme beliefs.
    In our country the death penalty is simply not an option; at best we can hope they are prevented from returning to the UK.
     
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    You're right, it isn't - but it should be, and until it is they'll keep on coming after us. We're sleepwalking straight into a living nightmare.
     
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    By an airstrike preferably.
     
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