Marriage Is Declining Because Men Are Pigs

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  1. Space_Time

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    Is marriage really declining because men are pigs? Is this gender stereotyping? If so is it interesting that it's coming from a liberal publication?

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/marriage-declining-men-pigs

    Marriage Is Declining Because Men Are Pigs
    —By Kevin Drum | Thu Mar. 24, 2016 1:07 PM EDT

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    Over at the Washington Monthly, Anne Kim muses on the spectacular decline in marriage over the past few decades:

    The seeming decline of marriage includes one major caveat: educated elites. When it comes to marriage, divorce, and single motherhood, the 1950s never ended for college-educated Americans, and for college-educated women in particular....The share of young college-graduate white women who were married in 2010 was a little over 70 percent—almost exactly the same as it was in 1950.

    ....It’s also seemingly only Americans with four-year degrees or better who appear immune to the broader cultural and social forces eroding marriage. In 1950, white women with “some college,” such as an associate’s degree, were actually more likely to be married than their better-educated sisters. Today, it’s the opposite. Though women with a high school diploma or less have seen the sharpest drop in marriage rates, the decline has been almost as severe—and ongoing—for women just one short rung down the education ladder, regardless of race.

    Why has marriage declined in America? Here's my dorm room bull theory: it's because men are pigs.

    I know, I know: #NotAllMen blah blah blah. That said, let's unpack this a bit. Basically, an awful lot of men are—and always have been—volatile and unreliable. They drink, they get abusive, and they do stupid stuff. They're bad with money, they don't help with the kids, and they don't help around the house. They demand subservience. They demand sex. And even on the one dimension they're supposedly good for—being breadwinners—they frequently tend to screw up and get fired.

    In other words, marriage has been a bad deal for women pretty much forever. But they've been forced into it by cultural mores and economic imperatives, and that's the only reason it's been nearly universal in the past.

    Nothing has changed much about that. It's still a bad deal for an awful lot of women, but cultural mores and economic imperatives have changed, and that means more women can afford to do what's right for themselves and stay unmarried these days.

    But there's one exception to this: the college educated. Well-educated men are fairly reliable; they have good earning power; they generally aren't abusive; and they've been willing—slowly but steadily—to change their habits and help out with kids and housework. For college-educated women, then, marriage is a relatively good deal. For everyone else, not so much.

    And that's why marriage is declining among all groups except the college educated. For an awful lot of women, it's just a lousy deal. They're tired of putting up with all the crap they get from men, and so they're opting out. They'll opt back in when men start to pull their own weight. There's no telling when that's going to start happening.

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    Because women never take advantage of their husband, mistreat them or cheat on them.

    Marriage is declining due to people having less morals and a grasp of personal responsibility period.
     
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    maybe marraige is declining because people think they are to financially unstable to have kids
     
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    It's declining because women are easy compared to how they were in the 50s.
    This is supposed to evoke 'male guilt' isn't it?
     
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    People don't want to be punished if it doesn't work out. Solution: Make prenuptial agreements the default, and you must opt out of one in order to negate it's purpose.

    That'll reveal who's after what.
     
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    Yeah, that's pretty much it.

    Plus, some people do it and aren't ready for it.
     
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    Well, lets look at some other factors: http://www.amazon.com/Men-Strike-Boycotting-Marriage-Fatherhood/dp/1594037620 This book discusses how men are more and more disadvantaged in the legal system in favor of women. They are the ones withdrawing from marriage. Yet this guy and others want to say its because women are withdrawing.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-WAR-AGAINST-BOYS-Misguided/dp/0684849577 Ms. Sommers discusses how from grade school on, boys are discriminated against by a female oriented education establishment that seeks to calm down natural male tendencies by chemical and administrative means, forcing boys to read topics they are not interested in, and generally downplaying their development into men.

    Comments just like this mangina's tend to disrespect and devalue men. So too does public policy.

    1. Divorce proceedings are always stacked against men, relegating them to paychecks and removing their parental rights.
    2. College campuses are landmines for men with policies against sexual assault stacked against them from a due process position so that accusation equals guilt.
    3. Welfare programs that make it more profitable for women to marry the government than the man who is the father of her children. And promiscuous women can have children by multiple fathers because the government doesn't care but the kids, particularly boys grow up without fathers to guide their development into men - a huge cause of the pathology in black neighborhoods and growing in white and minority communities.
    4. Situations like the fact that the USBC that controls bowling rules and regulations must make its tournaments and organizations open to men and women but the women's branch does not have to open its competitions to men.
    5. Title IX processes in college in which the definition of having "equality" on campus means having an equal number of men and women on sports scholarship. So, because Football and Men's basketball are usually the revenue producers and have lots of players, women's teams must be created in other sports to have equal numbers. And thus we have women's field hockey, women's equestrian, volleyball, etc. some of which have difficulties filliong out teams because of lack of interest but men, who are more oriented to sports and the competition, are denied opportunities in gymnastics, mens volleyball, as those teams are eliminated.
    6. Men are told that women must be allowed to participate in traditional male fields like the combat arms in the military then have to watch as standards are lowered to get a sufficient number of women qualified (don't believe the crap about same standards, they lowered the standards at West Point so women could pass and in the Navy so women could fly F-14's) and the pride men take in meeting the standards is reduced along with the standards as less qualified women are passed through to get the politicians off the service's backs.

    Having their worth and inherent male characteristics devalued over time and having the deck stacked against them, and finding they can get sex without marriage or commitment, men are just saying, screw it. Ladies, welcome to the new world where everyone is "equal", equality defined as "the same" despite inherent genetic differences that say they definitely are NOT "the same". How do you like it?
     
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    Historically, within certain christian beliefs, only a female can be "unfaithful" in a 'marriage.'
     
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    What an absolute load of sexist bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    But we all already knew that.
     
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    Kevin Drum is obviously not a heterosexual. :lol:
     
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    Marriage is declining for 2 main reasons.

    1. the government will financially benefit unwed mothers

    2. divorce laws are completely unjust and slanted against men.
     
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    Marriage is declining because [insert favorite issue]. [Favorite issue] wasn't as much of a problem in the 50s, and look how many people were married then compared to now! And I know [favorite issue] is the culprit because [insert anecdotes regarding favorite issue].
     
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    Marriage is eroding because of feminist garbage like this article. Marriage is a lousy deal for women? Tell that to the millions of single mothers out there who would be instantly lifted out of poverty if they were able to get into a 2 income household.

    Marriage is a pillar of stability in society, so the Marxist left has gone to war with it, like they have many other institutions in the West that promote stability. No time for a peasant's revolt when one is too busy going to work, raising a family, etc. They need as many individuals as possible to be on the breaking point so that they are more amendable to go along with whatever jealousy based power grabbing scheme the left has in mind.
     
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    Times change and people change.

    Both sexes have plenty of reasons to be less interested in marriage and some of them have been pointed out in this thread, but as far as couples are concerned I think more of them view marriage as superfluous or unnecessary and society doesn't frown on couples living together like it did in the past. On many levels, there isn't as much pressure on couples to get married these days, so it would go to figure that the number of couples getting married would decline.
     
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    If men are pigs does that mean women are sows?
     
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    Yeah, some people start young and havent even lived a life yet. they see a hot body or a pretty face and think they are in love lol.
     
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    I've been with married men. Not a hard thing to do.
     
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    Well in these days, within the realm of reality, everybody seems to be whores.
     
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    Are all men pigs, or just straight white men?

    Anyway, HEADLINE: "Gay Men Are Called Pigs"

    Isn't that how it works these days, you apply the law to only gays and then scream and holler about it?
     
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    I can sum it up why Marriage Is Declining in one simple old saying

    Why Buy the Cow when you can get the Milk for Free
     
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    (*)(*)(*)(*), the slanting of divorce cases is enough to make a man not even think about it lol.

    As much as a divorce costs these days should scare anybody .
     
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    Are you willing to at least concede, that 'betrayal' is not endemic or particular, to either gender?
     
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    Thanks for the limp wristed White Knight's view on the state of marriage in today's culture.
    We will all loose sleep, because some d-bag who blogs for a hack site like Mother Jones, thinks we are all pigs.:rolleyes:

    On a side note, maybe you should learn what current events means.
    Just saying.
     
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    Let's live in the here and now.

    Cheers
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    with so many jobs going overseas and foreign imports flooding the market

    that equals less jobs for Americans, which means a less secure future, which means less marriage

    it's not cause men are pigs or women are pigs with lipstick

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