Marriage isn't a human right

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  1. SpaceCricket79

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    Marriage isn't a human right, since it's not required as a basic necessity for survival. Things such as food, water, clothing, healthcare, etc are human rights, since they're needed simply to survive (ex. right to life) - however legal marriage benefits are a luxury, not remotely required for survival, and therefore are not a basic human right
     
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    The Supreme Court says otherwise. You lose.
     
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    Article 16.1 - Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    Where are you taking this thread,
     
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    The Supreme court used to say that blacks aren't people too, what's your point?

    The 14th Amendment is misinterpreted from the original intent of the Bill of Rights, and should probably just be repealed.

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    The "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" is wrong then.

    If it isn't required for survival, then it isn't a basic human right - end of story. Believing anything else is just a spoiled sense of self-entitlement - seeing as many people in the world don't even have food or basic access to medical care, it's pretty audacious for anyone in the West to claim their 'human rights' are violated over something trivial like "legal marriage rights"
     
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    They never called it a human right. They called it a fundamental rights. Very few of the rights in the constitution actually necessary for survivor. The OP is mistaken on the idea that a right has to be necessary for life to be a right.
     
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    A marriage contract is between two adults..
     
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    It's provided by the state, and therefore should ideally be decided by the state at their sole discretion
     
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    If we're just talking about getting a certificate and all that jazz, I agree completely. People have a right to live together if they choose and do whatever they want with each other. . . . But the whole official marriage thing with a certificate from Big Government is another matter.
     
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    Where are you taking this thread?
     
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    The state is NOT a third party to any marriage.. Law 101.
     
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    The state is the sole reason that 'marriage' (in a legal sense) exists in the first place

    The state isn't a third party in what a couple does in their own bedroom, but that has nothing to do with legal marriage, which only exists because of the state, and is therefore 100% their business.

    Saying the state isn't is like "telling the govt to stay out of my medicare"
     
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    If you think they're going to reverse themselves on that point, I want some of whatever you're taking, cause it's good (*)(*)(*)(*)!

    Good luck with that.
     
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    The State just records the marriage..

    That would be something you would learn in domestic and family law.
     
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    No the state enforces the legal rights which come with marriage.

    For example, a married person has a legal right to visit their partner at a hospital, or has a right to be a caretaker to a spouse suffering from a mental/physical handicap (ex. alzheimers) - it is the state which enforces that legal right.
     
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    Marriage is a natural right.
     
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    No it isn't, and it doesn't exist in nature - it exists solely as a creation of the state

    Only things necessary for survival such as food, water, etc are natural human rights - anything else is a privilege or a luxury
     
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    To be a human right it does - people can make anything a "Constitutional right" if they elect the politicians to make it such, but it's not a human right in any real sense of the word - anymore than "owning a Lamborghini" is
     
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    To be fair, many republicans claim that marriage is necessary to live a happy life. So, by that logic, it is a human right.

    But, I don't see how it matters if it's a human right. It's a right, and that's all that matters.
     
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    It's a religious tradition and the state encourages it through benefits for registering it with state. It also is somewhat (though lopsided) protection of the partners involved should they decide that they wish to not be recognized by the state as married. It's shenanigans, as far as I'm concerned. It's legacy left over from simpler times.
     
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    Then they're idiots.

    Their logic is flawed.

    It wasn't intended to be a right by the spirit of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

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    It's not a specifically religious tradition, since it exists in some form in most cultures regardless of religion
     
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    Natural rights are recognized by our republican form of government; and specifically enumerated in State Constitutions regarding Individual Liberty.

    Wedded bliss may be considered the pursuit of happiness through that enjoyment of life.
     
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    I agree completely with the original post. Legal marriage is a privilege and nobodys right would be violated at all if it was abolished, so how is it in any way a right?

    Now you may make an argument that if legal marriage exists, it should be available to all citizens equally, but thats about it.
     
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    Loving vs. Virginia calls marriage a human right.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    UNLESS... it is determined that the law of any given State is unconstitutional.
     
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