Marriage - Where Republicans/Conservatives get it wrong.

Discussion in 'Civil Liberties' started by Shiva_TD, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. Unifier

    Unifier New Member

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    How many Hollywood movies, how much popular music, how many popular tv shows express decidedly non-left wing PC views?

    You're 19. You should know this better than anybody. What environment would the average person in your age bracket routinely find themselves in that would challenge politically correct opinions?

    If you had grown up in a different environment or a different era, chances are strong that you would probably not believe what you currently believe.

    You've also deliberately twisted my message in your last sentence.
     
  2. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Actually I would say the opposite is true. When I grew up in the 1950's and '60's the only real exposure we had was being dragged to church for a brainwashing session every week. Today's youth has a much information than I did and it took years for me to overcome the hatred and bigotry of religion that lead to the prohibition of same-sex marriages in the 1970's.
     
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    I grew up in the 50s and 60s as well, and I was exposed to and adhered to a much more strict goal-oriented, non self serving, independently minded, religiously oriented, competitive, respect your elders, respect the current capitalist establishment, respect our military, honor and respect your nation, mother, father and GOD, and our Constitution above what the current day XXX generation OWS types glob onto such as deviants like socialism/centralized government, abortion, queer marriages, dabbling in eugenics and bastardizing stem cell research, degrading our military and their missions, abortion, queer marriages, pro pornography in any form, anti war/anti defense, pro multi cultures, pro alternative studies for our schools, open borders for all criminaliens, ONE WORLD multi culture where the UN would take over all of our military and foreign affairs options, satanism or atheism, wiping out Christianity via the liberal ACLU and other joo led progressive un American outfits etc, offering illegals and recent immigrants money and food in exchange for their Democratic vote etc.

    You might say I see a disturbing trend with the overall looksee into today's youth. :twisted:
     
  4. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Ignoring the rant that covers almost countless wars waged by the US since WW II without a formal declaration of war, using the US military for purposes other than the actual defense of the United States, the ignoring of the Constitution by both parties which authorized torture, denial of due process of the law, extrajudicial exectutions, covert CIA operations violating the sovereignty of other nations, support for groups known to engage in acts of terrorism, US support for tyrannical governments and the fact that the sole goal of the ACLU is to ensure that all people are afforded the protections of the Constitution I'll stick to the topic.

    The 14th Amendment, ratified over 100 years ago, requires that ALL PEOPLE receive equal protection under the law and the 1st Amendment ratified over 200 years ago prohibits the government from imposing religion and religious beliefs upon the People. Anyone that opposes same-sex marriage is opposed to both the 1st and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution.
     
  5. Unifier

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    Still not getting it. Kids of today have their worldview predominantly shaped by their entertainment. Unlike your day where kids might have been raised by their churches, kids of today are raised by their televisions and their computers. And the vast majority do not seek out that which is not pure entertainment. And the entertainment industry is extremely lopsided in favor of left wing PC views. If this is what you feed yourself everyday, this is eventually how you will see the world. Garbage in, garbage out.

    Access to alternate information is irrelevant if that information is not wrapped in a shiny enough package to hold their attention. Give me a list of prominent Hollywood movies, popular television shows, or popular bands/singers that routinely express non-liberal views.

    I rest my case.

    Take a look around you, Shiva. You have the deck stacked in your favor. You can hardly call the outcome objective.
     
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    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They didn't in 1967. The fed had to get involved to enforce the fourteenth amendment on states who wanted their marriage laws to supersede the equal protection clause of the constitution.
     
  7. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Yes, the deck is stacked because the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment stacks the deck.

    For example why are legally married same-sex couples in Massachusetts denied the ability to file joint tax returns with the federal government and why are they denied Social Security benefits that all other married couples are entitled to? There is a clear case of discrimination which is why the 2nd District Court ruled DOMA to be unconstitutional. It was so evident that the Justice Department, after making all of the legal arguments to support DOMA, refused to appeal the Court's decision.

    And if same-sex couples in Massachusetts can be treated equally under the law at the federal level then the States cannot logically deny equality in marriage to other same-sex couples in their state. Kansas cannot refuse to accept the marriage of a same-sex couple in Massachusetts that moves to Kansas for example and if they do accept that marriage they cannot deny that marriage to a same-sex couple in Kansas. It would be discriminatory in violation of the Constitution.

    DOMA at the federal level is doomed as it's already lost in court. The mini-DOMA's imposed by the States are also falling as we're seeing related to California. They're losing in court because of one simple fact, they're unconstitutional. It is impossible for a person to support the Constitution and oppose same-sex marriage so the deck is stacked in favor of the Constitution.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    It is now 2015 and the U.S. Supreme Court did the right thing by declaring Same-Sex Marriage to be the law of the land.
     

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