Marwan Barghouti calls for a Third Intifada

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A peaceful one. He still apparently believes that a 2 state solution is possible. This guy has the respect of both Hamas and Fatah. He was top of Hamas's list for prisoners to be freed in return for the release of Shalit and looked likely to be made Palestinian President. Of course Israel did not release him - not in their interests to release someone who still believes in a two state solution and has the confidence of both Fatah and Hamas and believes in peaceful protest. That would ruin everything. He seems a smart man and understands the situation so he has made this call from prison to coincide with Land Day

    (http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/why-land-day-still-matters-1.421606)

    very true

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1333109556/

    The Haaretz editorial suggests they listen to him.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/listen-to-marwan-barghouti-1.421600
     
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    Sounds like an excellent idea to me.........
     
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    " Occupation IS terrorism "

    Marwan Barghouti.

    Small wonder that the neozionists want him disappeared.
     
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    Is he a real leader, Moon?
     
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    He sure is. He is also a convicted terrorist with innocent blood on his hands, the mastermind of the first and second Intifada which left thousands of people on both sides dead.

    Despite of what the OP would like you to believe he is not calling for a two state solution, he is calling for the rupture of all ties and all cooperation between the Palestinians and Israel and the third intifada.
     
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    Ariel Sharon was the mastermind of the second intifada.

    I think a non-violent work stoppage would be a good idea.
     
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    Ah, of course he was, what was I thinking. The arabs are morons and imbeciles who can't possibly be held responsible for their actions. It's always someone else (usually the JOO or American) who provokes them, manipulates them and makes them act like violent medieval barbarians.

    Thanks Margot for clearing this up for us.
     
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    Sharon took a walk at al Aksa with 1000 soldiers... Don't you remember?
     
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    And that made him the mastermind of the second intifada? LOL OK, whatever.

    Never mind that 'al aksa' is the Temple Mount - the holiest site in Judaism. But we got it, the arabs are too stupid, ignorant and incompetent to be held responsible for their actions. There always is a Jew behind every Arab atrocity...according to you of course.
     
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    Well.. The Romans destroyed the Temple and Jerusalem s a result of Jewish civil wars in 70 AD.. so the place was vacant for 600 years.



    http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/241909-lavon-affair.html#post1061099859
     
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    Are the Palestinians gettin' perturbed again?...
    :dohtwo:
    The Birth Of The Next Intifada?
    Sep 13, 2012 - Amid growing concerns that the situation could turn into a violent conflict with Israel, Palestinians turned against their leaders this week with protests in the West Bank targeting the Palestinian Authority for mismanagement of the struggling economy.
     
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    There is a lot of support for non-violent liberation from Christian Sabeel in Jerusalem and Galilee.
     
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    That means if the Jew goes on vacation you and your miscreants are intitled to take over his house??????

    Intifada or not... the Arabs want a war we will give it to them in due time.
     
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    Now these Jews have returned to their homes and found the Arabs sleeping in their bed... What a lovely scene if it was my house..

    Watch this - Lebanese Writer: Jordan and West Bank Should Become Palestinian State That Will Absorb the Refugees


    http://youtu.be/YcL31YqZaQQ

    Jordan is Palestine

    http://youtu.be/YcL31YqZaQQ
     
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    Did the Jews incite the current intifada?...
    :confusion:
    State Dep’t on Israelis Visiting Temple Mount: 'Incitement Can Take Many Forms'
    October 15, 2015 | State Department spokesman John Kirby declined to say Wednesday whether the administration considers visits by Israelis to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to constitute incitement to violence, but he did say that “the status quo has not been observed, which has led to a lot of the violence.”
     
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    Israel has elected terrorists before Ariel Sharon who as established before massacred civilians at Qibya, and Bureij during 1953 and while head of southern command(in 1972) ordered expulsion of thousands of Bedouin for a military exercise in the Sinai causing 40 people mostly babies, elderly, and children dying.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...on-ordered-the-expulson-of-3000-Bedouins.html
    https://books.google.com/books?id=j...nepage&q=jordanian qibya pathologists&f=false
    http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/017EEFB458011C9D05256722005E5499

    Israel also elected Menachem Begin who was became head of Irgun(who previously bombed Arab markets and buses during Arab revolt from 1936-1939) in 1944 and conducted terrorist attacks like at Haifa, Damascus gate bombing, etc during 1948. Yet he made peace with Egypt.

    Moshe Dayan former chief of staff and defense ministry, and was heavily involved in peace negotiations between at camp david between Egypt and Israel. However after 1948 war he also supported free fire zones set up by commanders like Yigael Allon against refugees crossing borders that weren't often demarcated. During April 1956 in response to clashes that led to Egypt firing artillery at neighboring kibbutzes, Dayan ordered artillery to fire at city center in Gaza city hitting main marketplace, homes, and a municipal hospital killing 50 civilians and wounding 100. The attack on USS liberty also seems to have been ordered by Dayan(which one general believed to be Yitzhak Rabin called it pure murder) in order to prevent Liberty from detecting Israeli troop movements causing America to impose a ceasefire before they could attack the Syrians(which before war was firing artillery from Golan heights against Israelis) causing 34 Americans to die and 171 wounded. Yet after joining Begin's first government as foreign ministry he was one of the main figures involved in negotiation peace treaty with Egypt. Dayan resigned in October 1979 due to opposing Begin on settlement policy and on Palestinians(with former hardliner Ezer Weizmann resigning next year for same reasons along with Yigael Yadlin's Dash/Democratic Movement for Change party left government). In his letter of resignation to Begin, referring to autonomy talks for Palestinians said "I feel that the negotiation is for the most part bogus" with Ezer Weizmann after storming out of the cabinet seven months later tore a peace poster off the wall of the prime minister office shouting "no one here wants peace". Shortly before he died in 1981 Dayan established the party Telem which called for Israel to withdraw from the territories.
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/07/alan-hart-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-the-full-story/
    https://books.google.com/books?id=8...=moshe dayan gaza city 1956 artillely&f=false
    https://books.google.com/books?id=P...Vz6OICh2AYAHs#v=snippet&q=tore poster&f=false
    https://books.google.com/books?id=6...age&q=israel free fire zones refugees&f=false

    Saying Marwan Barghouti doesn't want peace or can't be a leader coming from an Israeli is disingenuous when Israel has elected leaders before that have a lot of innocent blood on their hands including women and children. One of those Mencham Begin made peace with Egypt even though he was head of a terrorist group that targeted Arab civilians. Moshe Dayan in addition to helping make peace with Egypt also wanted peace with the Palestinians resigning from Begin's government despite being a war criminal that before ordered artillery attack on civilians and ordered attack against USS Liberty killing many Americans.

    While Marwan Barghouti does support violence against Israel(although during second intifada claimed to not support any attacks in Israel within green lines link to partial transcript of interrogation of Barghouti after his arrest in 2002 is below) at the same time he does support living peacefully with Israel in a Palestinian state as part of two state solution not as part of people living on unequal basis with Israelis due to lack of rights due to being under military law. People will commit horrible deeds to achieve a state with again Israeli examples like Begin, Sharon, and Dayan all didn't flitch at killing Arabs including women and child yet they made peace with Egypt and with Dayan genuinely supported peace with Palestinians and resigned when Begin didn't agree on that.
    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week...rror-attacks-on-israelis-papers-show-1.425537
     
  18. HBendor

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    I wish one day you come to the conclusion/realization that it is worthless to scrape the bottom of a barrel to bring forth 65 year old stories to confront the realities of today!
     
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    Are you going to bring any facts to this or address what I said?(all of what I said above was historic facts cited)
     
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    We all know past history... But your presentation does not find a cure for today's realities... Go scrape some more maybe you will find some reasons why is the killings going on today!
     
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    Palestinian threat to peace in the Levant...
    :confusion:
    A nightmare scenario in the Middle East
    December 13,`15 - The wars in Syria and Iraq and jihadist attacks in the West have obscured yet another Middle East threat: the possibility that slowly escalating violence between Palestinians and Israelis will destroy one of the few remaining zones of relative tranquility between Morocco and Iran, along with one of the last secular and moderate Sunni governments.
     
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    Iran interfering in Israeli domestic affairs...
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    Iran Supreme Leader calls on Palestinians to pursue intifada against Israel
    Wednesday 22nd February, 2017: Iran’s Supreme Leader called on Palestinians on Tuesday to pursue an uprising against Israel, suggesting the Israeli government was a "cancerous tumour" that should be confronted until Palestinians were completely liberated.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Possibly Israel should be more concerned about the dangers of a nuclear Israel

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/hezbollah-warns-no-red-lines-in-next-war-with-israel/

    The ballistic which Iran set off in Jan had nothing to do with nukes and was allowed as per the agreement. This was just an excuse for Trump as early as possible to try and get Iran on a war footing. If I had been ruler of Iran I would long ago have got nukes for self defence. It is amazing they have not. Possibly this latest push will be what is needed or maybe they will just join Hezbolla in blowing up Israel's own nukes. It is obvious the US and Israel are completely unwilling to deal with things through International law. Some more effective remedy is necessary for justice in the region.
     

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