Mass killings by US forces in Afghanistan war

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  1. AARguy

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    Sorry my friend. You are confused. The person in question clearly hates the USA, equating Hiroshima with Auschwitz and claiing that the IRON CURTIAN was built to keep America and its allies OUT rather than its own citizens IN. This isa far cry from a soccer fan scream.
     
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    'Don't care if the person hates the USA ....for what ever reason. That does not make them a member of ISIS ... WTF ??
     
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    Same... same... labels are nothing but ... labels... haters of freedom have many names but all live in the same bucket
     
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    Then why do you keep doing it .. labeling people all people who criticize the US "ISIS" .. and no .. all haters (which includes yourself) are not in the same bucket. This is just nonsense. This is a worthless conversation about nonsensical made up nonsense that has no bearing in reality.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well aware of the History ... Eugenics was fashionable at the time .. especially among the elite .. and so was Anti Semitism ..although the two should not be directly conflated .. so related but not conflated.. if that makes any sense.

    You mentioned Romania but Croatia was the real demon .. not only went after Jewish but also Orthodox Serbs.. an effort led by the Catholic Church...

    Here is a classic quote .. what you would have read in your weekly church newspaper.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Ustaše

    There is a Limit to love Mate .. The movement to "Liberate" the world from Judah .. a movement for renewal of human dignity which "God - of all people" stands behind.

    Just classic .. can't really add to perfection.
     
  6. AARguy

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    Ok... I won't call them ISIS... what would you have me call them? Terrorists? Swine? Or just "enemies"? Heck, I'll call them deep fat fried chicken livers if you want me to. Doesn't change what they ARE... "a rose by any other name" and all that...
     
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    The Croatians were demons, it's true. But in comparison with the Ukrainians, they are children of cruelty.
    Read about Babi Yar, where the Ukrainians killed 200 thousand people (two hundred thousand) at a time. Or read how Western Ukrainians killed Jews and Poles. That's who the born sadists are.
    And what is interesting, the Ukrainians are bad soldiers (their punitive battalion "Galichina") was defeated by the Russians in the very first battle. Moreover, he was defeated by lesser forces.
    But as sadists Ukrainians are unmatched - Ukrainians were punishers and overseers of concentration camps.
     
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    Interesting lesson in history. Absolutely irrelevant in 2021 of course, but interesting. We all know Ford was a Nazi supporter... heck, even Heaven had a bad angel.
    My more modern experience with Croatia involves a wonderful guy named Jerry Zovko who was the son of Croatian immigrants that settled in Ohio. He was a super Soldier who I worked with at KMTB (Kir Kush Military Training Base) at Camp Caulfield in Iraq. He ended up working for Blackwater and, while on duty as security with a convoy, ended up one of the four Americans burned and hung from the Fallujah Bridge. I got to know his parents well. They came to America penniless and with nor English. Jerry's dad ended up as the owner of a maintenance company that serviced all the municipal vehicles in Cleveland. A real success story. (Imagine... they did it without all the free money immigrants get today. And they came here LEGALLY!)
     
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    Babi Yar was a NAZI extermination operation.
     
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    At what point is one saddist worse than another ...both were already well past the point of insanity - and I am sensing a bit of partisan bluster on the Ukraine question .. even though admittedly I don't know much about it... I do however know a whole lot about Croatian actions .. being married to a Serb and all .. .. but one who grew up in Romania came to "America" when 16 .. speaks both languages fluently Serbski unt Romanski .. and so .. now you know .. as although Russian women score very high on the beauty scale .. and lots of them (doesn't do much good if only one beautiful woman in the town) .. They don't got nuttin on parts .. well most of - Eastern Europe .. and yes .. Penthouse covergirl material at the age of 52.
     
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    Yes. Babi Yar was a NAZI extermination operation. The performers are Ukrainians.
     
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    Heck, Jews helped do the work at Auschwitz too. Like the Ukrainians, they didn't volunteer. A NAZI with a machine gun and a whole occupying Army at his disposal can be very persuasive.
     
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    It was a great day when that bloody wall came down. I saw it going up and coming down. Sad that you missed it.
     
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    That wall was to keep people IN. Many folks lost their lives trying to escape to freedom in the west.

    By the way, do you have anything to say that has the slightest relevance in 2021? Or better yet... the future?
     
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    I think the relevance is that the same ideology that built that wall is still very active. Yeah, I think history has relevance today.
     
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    You first read about Babi Yar, and then write a comment. Read about the Volyn Massacre.
    Ukrainians were volunteers in all the killings of defenseless citizens. They didn't need to be persuaded or intimidated.
     
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    Yes. At that moment, many were pleased. But now, having lived under capitalism, East Germans wear T-shirts with a print - "Give us back the Berlin Wall and make it 2 meters higher"
     
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    Gulags were just as bad a concentration camps. Many millions died in Gulags. Many including my own great-Uncle were sent there based on false charges of treason, cosmopolitanism, Zionism, and other fake crimes.
     
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    They would just get killed trying to cross it again. I have a rule of thumb to tell me which side in a conflict is just, which way are the refugees running?
     
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    "History" has relevance... but not all of it. There are no more NAZIs... Henry Ford is DEAD...
    From the BBC:
    A new German study has put at 327 the number of people killed at the East German border during the Cold War.

    Most were civilians trying to flee to the West from communist East Germany.

    The 327 includes 262 who died at the Berlin Wall, and 24 East German border guards who were shot while on duty.

    The study was done by a team at the Free University of Berlin. About half of those who died were aged 18-25. The youngest was a baby who suffocated in the boot of a car in 1977.

    Many of the victims were shot by East German guards, drowned trying to swim to the West or set off anti-personnel mines.

    About 10% of those who died were women. Many of the 327 were young manual workers or farmers.

    I went to the East Germany- West Germany Border while stationed in Germany in the US Army. What I saw was an electrified fence with motion-triggered grenades hanging from it. Many places in the fence had been repaired where grenades had detonated. Whether set off by East Germans trying to escape or just birds was unknowable. On the east side a 20 foot wide strip of sand was perfectly manicured so that foot steps could be detected by routine inspections. Movable Guard towers on the east side were manned by guards with rifles. I saw tractors tilling fields. Each tractor had a Russian soldier on it to keep an eye on the farmer in case he made a run for it. I lived in West Germany for years. No one wanted to go to East Germany. East Germany was known as a place of poverty and want. A German Colonel friend of mine had a cousin in East Germany he had never met. When the wall came down, she came to visit. He took her shopping, she stayed in his nice house and he drove her around in his Mercedes. She broke down crying, saying she had been lied to all her life. Things were hard in the East but they told her it was worse in the west. She was crushed to learn the truth.
     
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    And John Dillinger murdered folks. That means ALL American are murderers? That murder in America is organized and sanctioned by the government? Same everywhere. Find anywhere without murders.
     
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    1. Tell me the number of your grandfather's criminal case and the article under which he was convicted. I'll take a look in the archive. Now anyone can do it.
    You can tell whatever you want, but in fact, your grandfather could have been a punisher in a concentration camp, a traitor to the Motherland, a deserter, a murderer and rapist of children ...
    Ask any police officer what criminals yell when they get caught. He will tell you that everyone, without exception, yells about innocence.
    2. GULag - abbreviation (General Administration of Camps). The modern language is the Ministry of Justice. There are no criminals in the Gulag, clerks are in the Gulag.
    The criminals are in special camps. The difference from the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, the concentration camps of the United States is that in the camps of the GULag system, prisoners, for example, they received a salary (they were fed, clothed and supplied with everything they needed (for example, soap) at the expense of the state). Also, prisoners had visits with relatives (with rare exceptions related to secrecy, espionage or disclosure of state secrets), prisoners could be released early ... in general, just like modern prisoners, for example, in today's USA.
     
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    He was a Czech citizen. Jan Skala. Died in 1952. War hero, I have a picture of him with Marshall Zhukov and President Benes. He was persecuted because he was a Jew and worked in the foreign ministry.
     
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    1. Not all Americans are murderers. Moreover, the vast majority of Americans are very good people.
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    Yes. Often. And not only kill. For example, deliberate infection of citizens of Guatemala with syphilis is promoted. https://www.britannica.com/event/Guatemala-syphilis-experiment
    And much more.
     
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    Wow. You have to reach back to the 1940's to find something? I've been retired for a long time and I wasn't even born then. Do you have anything more relevant to 2021?
     

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