Mass shooting at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin

Because within 20 minutes of the event's conclusion they said it was a single shooter. Even robberies take longer to investigate. Granted I just defend criminals, but...because of that I know what goes into an investigation and I know that I have to do the same due diligence and it is not a quick process.

I'll repeat.

We have over 40 people who were present for the shooting and a police force assigned that was less than the number of victims. We have dead bodies, injuries, etc.

LOEs can back me up with this:

1. The crime scene is roped off (this takes time)
2. Police detain witnesses both around the scene and in the crime scene
3. Forensics techs are moved into investigate the bodies, first, so they can be sent to a coroner for further evaluation. Then those bodies have to be carefully moved.
4. Detectives must interview everyone
5. Evidence is collected and taken back to the station
6. The case is managed using software programs.


Under normal circumstances, they don't "solve" the case until all of the evidence is reviewed. I know this is hard to comprehend, but...this isn't CSI or NYPD blue. This town probably doesn't even have 1/10th the budget of even the Kings County PD and those guys take more time with a robbery than this shooting.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theory to want to see justice done for these people who were harmed and frightened and that includes listening to them and believing them and following all leads.

Again, this is not a "conspiracy" theory this is about finding out why 4 people did this instead of blaming it on the dead guy because what if, God forbid, the other 3 do it to more people in the future?

 

why not just wait and let the FBI do their job then. All I said was that civilians and even trained soldiers a combat situation get confused and eye witness accounts are not always accurate. Not sure why me saying that set everyone off, it is true, just ask any soldier that has seen combat or any one that has ever done law enforcement

 

Heres more proof of their political ideology.

• March 26, 2008 – Nashville, Tennessee
Eric Ian Baker, 32, Michael Corey Golden, 23, and Jonathan Edward Stone, 18, were indicted on federal civil rights charges for burning down an Islamic Center on Feb. 9, 2008. Stone and Baker reportedly identified themselves as followers of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement.

 

http://randompottins.blogspot.com/2012/04/shiites-massacred-in-pakistan.html



looks like those white supremacists invaded Pakistan also

yes in the USA we have some ignorant jackasses, but I consider the most ignorant of the jackasses one that try and politicize tragic incidents for some hate filled partisan BS

 

I would love to see the FBI do its job! Agreed.

As to testimony...

I've been in the middle of gunfire before. It didn't make me imagine things that weren't there. Maybe it does for some, but I was hyper aware of everything around me. As for most witnesses, it is when the adrenalin wears off that they start to get blurry with tiny details, either expanding based on the questions being asked or forgetting altogether.

My point is that they did not have enough time to discount that testimony with evidence. No way. It's this rush that is placed on investigations--mostly by the media--which gets innocent people railroaded and investigations derailed. If they don't have all the answers right away the media keeps pressing, political pressure is put on the LOEs, etc.

All I am saying is that they had no business making a statement that discounted testimony until they had a chance to talk to everyone (which wouldn't happen until well into tomorrow).

 

Yeah, the fact that they're saying it's one so quickly makes me suspicious. Especially when the witnesses said 4.

 

Did you see the one man without his cover? He was calm, collected, described the 4 men's attire completely. I don't know if maybe this being not a major metropolis and one police officer being shot if perhaps they didn't want to "chase" the other shooters.

People are saving the videos all over Youtube now. There are multiple interviewees claiming the same experience, others saying their parents called to have them call in a police report, again, stating there are multiple shooters in there with them.

This is just weird.

 

This is undoubtedly a lot more common than people outside of the legal process, like JackDog for instance, might realize. Earlier this year, a local barista girl was kidnapped here in town. The kidnapping made national news. Her name was Samantha Koenig, some of you might have heard of her because her case was reported repeatedly on CNN and Fox News. Anyway, her kidnapping was caught on surveillance video, but the local, state, and federal cops up here would not show the video to the public because the authorities claimed that they did not want the kidnapper to know how much that the authorities knew about him. Local residents here in Anchorage were outraged because everybody wanted to know what the suspect looked like, but the authorities insisted that the video didn't show his face, only his hoody and that he may have had a gun in his pocket.

So Zosiasmom has a valid point in that the authorities often don't reveal everything that they know about a crime scene or intentionally try to cover up details to avoid a widespread panic in the community. Heck, we had one just a week and a half ago, some guy allegedly kidnapped an 18 year old man at gunpoint and forced him to drive out of town down the Seward Highway; the 18 year old drove off after the kidnapper told the kid to pull over so he could take a leak. The cops never found that guy and haven't revealed any more information since. The local news stopped reporting on it too, even though there is only one way in or out of Seward from Anchorage, if anybody knows anything about the area around here.

 

You know that is very valid. If the shooters got away, the cops would want them to think they are safe so they make mistakes.


EDIT: However, that won't stop anyone from politicizing this to death.

 

Wonder how long before ABC News (or SeeBS News, or NBC News, or CNN, or MSNBC, or the NYT) tells us the shooter was a leader of the Tea Party?

 

The problem is folks like you who think we shouldn't let everyone to carry a firearm....thus giving these lunatics free reign to mow down perfectly innocent folks. Here is a question....If a perp was threatening you and others with a gun, would you rather be armed or not?

 

With regard to the multiple shooter reports, it could be that there were multiple shots fired (perp then police) and folks HEARD multiple gunshots coming from multiple places.

 

And I JUST SHOWED YOU WHAT THE CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT AGENCY RULED ON IN 1997. Really? Your kidding right?

No lie, Hispanic isn't used to define race. Facts are facts.

Tell me where you see Hispanic?

 

Apparently, according to ABC News, the shooter is a 40 year old white supremacist.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-oak-creek-wisconsin-officials-white-supremacist/story?id=16933779#.UB8-n_ZlTU1

 

Ayn Rand?

 

Except the cops didn't show up until well after the shooting began. Unless the media and police were saying that they were only able to kill a lone gunman, as in only one of them. But that's not what they are reporting to the public.

 

Shocking...will be interesting to see what groups he has ties to, white supremacist or religious.

 

And probably a Tea Party member as well.. I'll wait a couple of days for ABC News to apologize for getting this one wrong, too.

 

oh great
here come the anti-gun zealots,once AGAIN blaming guns.Demanding the King to disarm us.
I knew it was only a matter of time.
Allow me to let you all in on the 2nd Amendment on the right to bear arms.
It was created not only for protection from criminals,but protection from GOVERNMENT.from Tyranny.
Imagine if the Government disarmed every law abiding gun owner.
That would leave only the Government and Criminals with guns.
The privilege of owning a firearm can be abused,just like knives can be used to kill,just like a car can be used to kill,just like regular store bought chemicals can be used to make bombs.

1. “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.” ~Thomas Jefferson

2. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. ~John Adams

3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

5. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

6. Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.

7. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

8. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

9. You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

11. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

13. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

14. What part of ‘shall not be infringed’ do you NOT understand?

15. Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.

16. When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.

17. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.



I think back to the country our founding fathers had emerged from. In Britain, it was illegal for a peasant to be armed. Revolt against the king – no matter how villainous or tyrannical he was – was absolutely impossible.

The founding fathers had an idea for a greater system of government; one which forced the government to respect the people.


And America – with its passion for freedom and its hatred of tyranny espoused in the theme of sic semper tyrannis – has a proud and noble history of liberating peoples from the most evil dictators and tyrants the world has ever seen.

The 2nd Amendment was a reaction against tyranny in the aftermath of their conflict with a nation that offered its people no recourse against the tyranny of their government.

As we stare a government that is growing larger and ever larger, and more and ever more invasive, we keep our rights as a free people only by embracing the fundamental right to defend ourselves against tyranny from the wisest and noblest political leaders who ever lived.

 

Maybe they know it was a white guy because they have his body?

The police did not release any details about the gunman or a possible motive for the shooting, beyond raising the prospect of terrorism. Thomas Ahern, a spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the killer was a 40-year-old white man.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/shooting-reported-at-temple-in-wisconsin.html?_r=1

 

Well, if you're going to get killed what better place than your favorite church? It shows that your favorite deity was so impressed by your devotion to him that he decided to have you join him immediately. It shouldn't be considered a tragedy but a sign that your deity blessed you by ending your life while you were focused on worshipping him. That's a sure sign that you're headed for heaven or paradise.

 

***** UPDATE *****

Reports just released have confirmed that the shooter is a close associate of Harry Reid and that Harry Reid is the mastermind behind this mass murder. I hope this report is true. I can't be 100% sure.

 

This is America. He can do whatever he wants.

 

Well if you can make assumptions so can he.

 

It seems you are the one that needs to wake up.