Massie To Garland: Did Any Federal Agents Or Assets Enter The Capitol Or Incite Riot On January 6?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    They want to charge Bannon and Trump et al for incitement...................they weren't anywhere near the Capital I think Bannon was in California at the time.
     
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    "wanting" to "charge" someone, and "actually charging" them are 2 different things.

    I am sure nany people would "want" to date Margot Robbie.

    I am willing to let things play out.
    Let's see what happens.
     
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    Bannon was in the "war room" in a hotel in Washington. He and others had been running the "operations" there for days leading up to Jan 6th. They goal was to stop the steal, or reverse the election. There's a lot more to this story.
    Personally, I think Trump himself said and did the right things to where it would be difficult to charge him with inciting a riot. They might get others, but Trump seems to always make sure that when the &%$@ hits the fan, it's aimed at someone else.
    Again, reason #10,000,000 why a thorough investigation needs to happen.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    For the planned rally. What more is there to it?

    He said do quite the opposite of what ended up happening. Nowhere in his speech or anywhere else did he instruct or encourage anyone into an insurrection or a riot. Nor has the FBI even questioned Bannon about any plot or conspiracy tied to him that I know of. And we go back to the reporting that the FBI has not found any great plan or plot to engage in an insurrection or overthrow or even a violent riot. It was a protest that got out of hand nothing more from the charges we have seen.

    Why do you claim the largest nationwide investigation in the history of the FBI by some reports has not been thorough and that only CONGRESS can better investigation and make it so.

    January 6 insurrection at US Capitol yields biggest federal investigation in US history
    "The violent insurrection and mob attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 lasted about four hours. It has produced the most expansive federal law enforcement investigation in US history, now spanning more than nine months.

    With millions of social media posts, pictures and videos; nearly 250,000 internet tips; thousands of hours of body camera footage and hundreds of people arrested, investigations remain open and active at the Chicago FBI office, and 54 other FBI field offices across the country. There are only 56 FBI offices total.

    "The investigation and prosecution of the Capitol Breach will be the largest in American history, both in terms of the number of defendants prosecuted and the nature and volume of the evidence," prosecutors stated in a court filing this week."
    https://abc7chicago.com/jan-6-insurrection-riot-us-capitol-investigation/11126614/


    Where has the this nationwide across federal, state and local EXPERT investigators been so lacking?
     
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  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    But it IS their goal and they are demanding his records and papers and that he take the stand, where in a court of law can that happen and happen without a JUDGE approving on demands for such papers and effects let alone ORDER a person who is the subject of that court take the stand and testify.

    Take it to court, law enforcement is the proper authority here not some partisan commission which is trying to violate the rights of private citizens. If Bannon violated the law throw the book at him, if not he has his rights.
     
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    Interesting points.

    From what I have gathered, there are still several layers of legal hoops that Congress would have to jump through to impel Bannon to do anything.
    Bannon could stonewall this thing for quite a long time.

    Ideally, in his case, as long as he can stonewall until Jan. 2023, he should he ok.

    If I was Bannon's Lawyer, I would tell him to stonewall and keep the Contempt of Congress Citation from being enforced as long as possible
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    RCP is a RADICAL Right-wing nut job website with no credibility, hardly non-partisan and funded by GQP dark money, but you knew that already.
    Real Clear Politics and its affiliated websites have taken a rightward, aggressively pro-Trump turn over the last four years as donations to its affiliated nonprofit have soared. Large quantities of those funds came through two entities that wealthy conservatives use to give money without revealing their identities.
     
  9. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LMAO!!!

    There sure are a lot of articles from aggressively anti-Trump, left-wing nut job publications posted on this "aggressively pro-Trump" "right-wing nut job website". :lol:


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    And I loved the kooky "GQP" flourish you threw in there. Nice touch.
     
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  10. Bluesguy

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    Any lawyer who would allow their client who they have any reason to believe is subject to an FBI or any other criminal investigation to testify before Congress or any other body in public or otherwise should be disbarred. What Congress wants to do here is beyond their constitutional power.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    Oh geeez what utter nonsense for lack of anything of merit.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point.

    FYI, I just went through a small portion of the list of 600+ people who have been arrested and charged and I saw one that was charged with Conspiracy for "inspiring with others to breach of the U.S. Capitol".

    It seems to me that Epps' incitement would fall under this Conspiracy category, although I think a clear case of incitement could be made in his case since it passes the so-called Brandenburg Test, which makes speech that (i) is “directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action,” and (ii) is “likely to produce such action" a punishable offense.
     
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  13. Bluesguy

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    Isn't the "war room" just his podcast, was he in his studio doing his pod cast the war room?

    https://warroom.org/

    He lives in California.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    I haven't read them all but have read lots and what he was doing sure seems for what others were arrested.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    kako ste došli do tog zaključka
    Koje su bile laži?
     
  16. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that's not suspicious at all.

    What are they trying to hide?

    One would think Biden, Pelosi, the DoJ, FBI, et al, would welcome any and all the help they can get investigating this matter but they're stonewalling instead.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I catch Steve Bannon on TV on local channel 22.4

    The man is a fountain of information. Stuff the Democrats love to mislead us on.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Check this out.

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    Ne razumijem je li Epps Fed ili nije. Pa kako se možete ponašati kao što se ponašate o istom čovjeku?
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've never watched guy, I recall him on some shows early on in the Trump term but nothing that stands out.
     
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    But its “Joe Bidens DOJ” that is prosecuting these people right ? It’s “Merck Garland being accused of politics for not prosecuting” right ? That’s not just an inference, thats actually being said.

    Merck Garland said he “cannot comment on an ongoing investigations”. So they are investigating things. But its laughable to not think that the government did not have people in the crowd to gather intelligence. But to now claim that these people were the ones somehow “leading the charge” means 1 of 2 things:

    1. You agree that it was an insurrection that was designed to overthrow the free and fair election
    OR
    2. Repubs are so dumb they had to have someone show them how to do it

    The idea that everything is some conspiracy against repubs is getting beyond ridiculous. Every thread on these forums anymore tries in some way, manner, shape or form to blame dems for the actions of republicans. Every person arrested and in jail right now for Jan 6th is a Trump supporter. So now the conspiracy is, “but the dems led the riots”. These people were not arrested solely for their actions on Jan 6th, they were convicted because of their motive. Somehow for the right these days, since the insurrection failed, that it is now somehow not an insurrection by the right, its just some “like minded repubs just sitting around on Jan 6th that were duped into breaking into the capital, destroying government property, beating law enforcement officers, by some plants from the DOJ (Trumps DOJ) who are now “democrats” ?
     
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    The Capital Police and FBI won't even release all the videos and the Dems on this commission are just sitting on their hands, why don't we see IT ALL!! Why can't we read the investigation and witness statements into the killing of the unarmed protester? How about we subpoena Pelosi and Schumer and their staff and all their communication records to see what they did prior to and during the protest/riot.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, not suspicious at all.

    /sarcasm
     
  25. Bluesguy

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    You left out

    3. "These people" encouraged and then helped lead the charge to break into the Capital in protest that led to a riot.

    Even a FBI informant or UC cannot encourage a crime let alone lead people into committing one.

    They have been arrested for their actions, trespassing and interfering with an official proceeding. Who has been arrested for "motive"? The FBI has not charged anyone with insurrection and reports are they can't because they have no evidence it was nor it was preplanned.
     

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