Last night a tower block in London was basically burnt to shreds. Officially we have 6 dead and 64 injured, 20 critically though there also appear to be an enormous amount of people unaccounted for. The Tower block housed 400-800 people. At the moment people are just in shock and trying to move round to help the people who escaped. One story is of someone throwing their baby out the window to people who were waiting below- the baby was apparently saved but we do not know about the parent. It does seem to be thought that the reason was safety issues which have not been addressed but it is going to be a long time till they know the reason for the fire. There is another thread on this but it seemed a flamebait thread so I am starting this in case anyone is interested. cont'd https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/14/how-the-grenfell-tower-disaster-unfolded This is a changing situation. The police are now saying they expect the death toll to rise. There are as I said a lot of missing people. Firefighters are apparently now inside looking for causalities. Sadiq Khan is asking people who escaped alive to let the authorities know so it is known they are safe. Firefighters were apparently at the scene within 6 minutes of the fire being reported.
Lots of disturbing aspects to this story. Apparently the residents have been complaining for years about non-working safety equipment, blocked entrances, etc, and the local housing council instead spent million on the facade of the building. I truly expect to see a lot of criminal charges come out of this tragedy.
Police say there are now 12 confirmed dead and are asking people if they have reported someone missing and have found them to let them know. It will be some time till they know the final result. The reason for the differences in number in hospital is that 10 went by themselves and the rest were taken by emergency services.
Plenty of alah akbar people around that tower and the tower itself. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them stored inflammable materials inside the apartment in order to assemble an explosive device. Sh*t happens when would be jihadist follow the instructions from the internet. The police should follow the terror links. Find out immediately how many flagged jihadists lived in the tower.
It does not takes a deliberate act of terror to start fire. It takes one frightened teen that ****ed up attempt to cook fries. Or many, many other things. By example of incident in the "Crippled Horse" club, judging by how fast fire spread, I assume problem might be in some materials used inside the tower itself, maybe some wall panels in inner halls, or paint capable of catching on fire. There is many possible causes of fire, as well as explanations why fire may have spread fast enough to trap people in building.
I didn't say explosion. I clearly said if you store inflammable materials in your apartment the sh*t is about to hit the fan. If I were the police I would immediately check out all people around the area with possible terrorist links. Accidents do happen. However I suspect this was an accident.
The fire apparently spread the 24 floors in only half an hour. The cladding which was put on the building during the renovations is giving rise for suspicion that it could have caused this. Speaking to an expert on BBC he said it was too early to say that, that there had been similar type fires in other countries but never here. He said that advice given was that any cladding should be really fireproof. Buildings getting similar renovations in London are now being looked into but one of the main things they are looking at is the speed with which the fire spread and how it seemed to spread up the outside of the building.
How awful! I feel for the people being trapped, children, cats, dogs and all. Horrible! Almost like 9/11.
The fire is still burning, fighters are having to sift through the remains of 120 apartments, and you want to know about numbers, now? There were 6 CONFIRMED deaths at the time of the announcement. There are now 12 confirmed deceased.
This is a sick, stupid, mindless post. People have died horribly and you're constructing a conspiracy? There are no words. Go away.
The fire appears to have been started by a small kitchen fire believed to be caused by an electric fault. http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/what-...safety-problems-and-electrical-fault-6707170/ It is though looking very likely that .money was saved by using flammable cladding or that the cladding was not correctly installed and that while that did not start the fire it is probably the reason it spread so quickly throughout the entire Tower block...but that just seems to be what keeps coming up, it remains to be shown whether it was or not. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...b0240ef7614601#block-59412c26e4b0240ef7614601 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-to-happen-fire-expert-slams-uk-tower-blocks Meanwhile the area appears to be doing everything it can to help people who now find themselves with no home or possessions and missing loved ones. There has been massive gifts of clothes, bedding and food, for today at any rate and offers of somewhere to sleep - thought there is some talk about the council itself not doing enough. Go Fund me has about 6 appeals.
In its terror I can see that to some extent it is similar. People were throwing their children out the windows and jumping out themselves. One woman apparently started with her 6 children but found she was only left with four by the time she got out. No comparison but the same kind of terror. People were told to stay in their homes. The sensible ones did not. This policy is because it is not supposed to be possible for a fire to start and to spread over 27 floors in half an hour. It is supposed to take 20 hours to do that. Hence the police advised people at first to stay in their homes. The idea being not to have a stampeed which stops the emergency services getting in to help people. One policeman was saying how he told someone to stay, that people were coming for her then he went into tears as he does not know if anyone came. Lots of stories like that. One man spoke about how they could all see this woman screaming for help and a helicopter kept going overhead but did not get her. This happened again and again for a very long time. Then she stopped screaming.
Yes that is what they think started it...but that should only have resulted in a small fire which the fire brigade which arrived within 6 minutes could easily put out. What happened instead is that the fire spread up the 27 levels of the Tower on the outside in under half an hour.
Well I understood Jazz to be speaking from an emotional level. We do not know the number dead yet. It is not time for getting into competition on it.
Here is an update. Newsnight says. The building was build to be able contain fires and stop them spreading. The cladding however was poor fire retardant. They compare it to that on the fire in Dubai which you may remember also went right up the side of the building like this one and which seems to have had a similar type of cladding. There is quite a lot of anger coming now. One of the things they are questioning is whether austerity measures may have had a hand in this. Even worse, Kensington is a very rich area and this was social housing - poor people. The Independent had an article suggesting the prime reason for the cladding was to improve the look of the Tower for the benefit of richer neighbours. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...appearance-blaze-24-storey-west-a7789951.html It is also being asked why there were no sprinklers and why there was not even a fire alarm which could have woken people up earlier so that they could have escaped. The people themselves had been complaining about the safety for some time https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/ The cladding still seems to be the prime suspect but they are questioning whether other statutory fire standards were met, councils having enough money to go by proper standards is coming to the fore and they are starting to think possibly these people's safety was not taken so seriously because they, though living in a rich area were poor. People keep saying this was avoidable and should never have happened.
I didn't post that in reference to any competition either. It was merely a scientific/logical observation.
Here's a link to an article listing six other fire traps that have the same exterior cladding that burns like gasoline. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4606068/Cladding-company-covered-six-blocks-London.html The tennants should start moving before they go up in flames.
