MASSIVE GUN STUDY CONCLUDES: ‘Murder Rates Rise When Guns Are Banned’

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  1. pitbull

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    It's not about physical power. It's about the will to harm others. The gun is a violence multiplicator. Assume the 80 yr old lady has a violence level of 2, whereas the 250lbs thug's v.level is 40. What happens if a gun multiplies this by 1000? It won't be good for anyone!
     
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    Its not good for the old lady to have the capacity to defend herself from the thug?
    The gun does not put he on equal or better footing?
     
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    I don't think so. She's reluctant to shoot people while the thug harms others without mercy. Neither should have a gun. Firearms belong exclusively into the hands of professionals, e.g. police officers.
     
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    Good to know you prefer that little old ladies have no means to defend themselves from thugs.
     
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    Or someone else and the determination of life or death is decided by the criminal, cease the hostilities and live, fail to do and get shot and maybe die.
     
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    What a sick attitude, calling for the arming of criminals so they can kill elderly women.
     
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    Now you are really making crap up, you have no idea of what a elderly woman might do or that she may have a one up on the criminal.

    Yea real smart, when seconds count the cops are only minutes away, by the time they show up, if she is unarmed she may very well be dead and your beloved criminal long gone.

    Good lord, you have serious problems whishing that on anyone.
     
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    They have 911, better than firing a dangerous gun, what they never did before.
     
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    I'm not in favor of arming anyone. Rather the opposite. Only those should have guns who are trained in using them.
     
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    Sure right, you must live in a fantasy world, with an average dispatch time of 12 minutes at Code 3, that's way too little help arriving way too late.

    Let me ask you this, how would you like being beaten or stabbed for 12 minutes while waiting for a LEO to show up, how about if it was one of your children or a loved one, would you wish that upon them?
     
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    Which many law abiding gun owners are, many way more that the LEO's you are relying on, but's something as a hard core anti don't understand.
     
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    Nothing here changes the fact you prefer little old ladies be defenseless.
     
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    Yes... you prefer the state have a monopoly on force.
    The people who wrote our constitution had people like you in mind when they put together the bill of rights.
    Thank you for validating their foresight.
     
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    I prefer maximum security for everyone. This implies no firearms in the hands of laymen.
     
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    You cannot show the necessary relationship between "maximum security" and a disarmed citizenry.
     
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    Prefer all you wish, that's living in a fantasy world, in the real world guns are everywhere and cannot be eliminated, nor shall they be taken from the law abiding.
     
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    Not unless we put all of the law abiding and prison and turn the streets over to the criminals.
     
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    How do you make that determination at the moment of the crime?
     
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    So is the reality today in most countries. We need consensus law and order to assure peace among maximum different people.

    The bill of rights isn't that bad. But if it comes to gun laws, it defenitely needs some improvements.
     
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    We have that here.
    There's a process for that.
     
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    Let me ask you this, how would you like being beaten or stabbed for 12 minutes while waiting for a LEO to show up, how about if it was one of your children or a loved one, would you wish that upon them?

    Still waiting for an answer to this.
     
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    After commitment of his crime. Why shoot him dead if he's only a pickpocket or shoplifter? That makes no sense.
     
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    You cannot show the necessary relationship between "maximum security" and a disarmed citizenry.
     
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    One wouldn't and would be charged with homicide if they did.

    Get a clue, you are looking dumber and more uninformed with each new post.
     
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    What is the other way around? Kill a superficial aggressive person who is unlikely to harm you? But you don't know that, feel fear and pull the trigger?

    This is the beginning of a spiral of violence ... Gun Culture!

     

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