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Maternal Mortality Rates on the Rise

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Chester_Murphy, Aug 22, 2019.

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Texas is eat up with fundies and evangelicals.
     
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    Obesity is a true killer for pregnancy. And even worse when you claim the doctor is "fat shaming" you.
     
    Wildjoker5, Aug 24, 2019
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    Some people die from the stress and crime of being stuffed into cities.
     
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    I will start by saying that “Harvard Business Review” may not be the best place to examine complex health care issues


    A) coverage for healthcare
    B) inconsistency in practice
    C) chronic disease burden
    D) lack of data and therefor lack of quality control

    https://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?pid=S0042-96862015000400135&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en

    This article dogma a little deeper

    https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jog.12954

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14767058.2019.1571032

    Another paper citing lack of universal health care and standardisation of practice

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jan.14094

    Now compare that with on little sparsely populated state in Australia. We have some pretty bloody unique challenges including an indigenous population scattered thinly throughout vast tracts of the state some of whom still live a near hunter gatherer existence. Getting antenatal care to that population is challenging at times

    And since we have a significant rural population it led to standardisation of practices based on best research available

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/qcg/publications

    These guidelines I have been reliably informed are being used throughout the world.

    But where medical officers have “visiting rights” in private hospitals there is no constraint on them to use such guides
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    a new wave of baby boomers? good for social security if true...
     
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    FreshAir, Aug 24, 2019
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  6. Bowerbird

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    Ye gods but I am grateful for living under a UHC. It might not be perfect but I will take it any day over the alternative
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    Yeah well, we Aussies reduced the risk of that too ;)
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    so your saying pregnancy is dangerous and women should be able to choose for themselves to have a baby or not?
     
    FreshAir, Aug 24, 2019
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  9. Bowerbird

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    Nope!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...s-have-higher-infant-mortality-rates-n1008481

    https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2018/11/09/maternal-mortality
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    Yep!
    Some of that is by refunding agencies like the “Royal Flying Doctor Service” (RFDS) some through commercial flights if the patient is stable enough some through ground transport......

    We are a big country with some pretty sparsely populated areas and part of UHC promis is that ever6 Australian can get equal care. So, if the doctor cannot come to the patient we will fly the patient to the specialist medical treatment no matter where.
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    What you did not do was prove that contention. I know I can but I am waiting for you to do so

    PS take a look I think I am up to about 6 citations in the last 15 minutes
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    Tra! la!

    Republican health care
    upload_2019-8-25_1-26-5.jpeg
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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  13. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting, but it doesn't seem to disprove my assertion.

     
    Chester_Murphy, Aug 24, 2019
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, but doesn't correlate to the quote.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Aug 24, 2019
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    Which assertion?
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I agree with the study I posted. I wasn't really trying to prove that article's veracity. I was asking for it to be disproven. I've only read one of your posts and I disagreed with your assertions. I'll get to the rest. I won't disregard them. I have to get a coffee, though. I may have to walk away from the thread for a bit, too. I'll check them out, though.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Aug 24, 2019
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That abortions reduce maternal mortality rates.
     
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    Ah! The assertion you have offered no support for

    Are you unaware that some things are multifactoral?
    upload_2019-8-25_2-42-4.jpeg
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The population had continuously moved toward urban areas. It was too expensive to keep all the hospitals sorely needing updating and built in the '50s or earlier, open. I literally can remember the news stories. Too lazy to look them up.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Aug 24, 2019
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't get why I have to prove what I did not write or research? I'm talking about the article.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Aug 24, 2019
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    By the way
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    Which did which did not mention abortion
     
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    And yet we have at least health clinics in every small town
     
    Bowerbird, Aug 24, 2019
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not. What you don't realize is, I have always thought, "If you want to murder the unborn, you may. However, since this is a free country(supposedly), I should not have to contribute to what I believe is evil and wrong".
     
    Chester_Murphy, Aug 24, 2019
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Australia?
     
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