Matt Damon on Australia's gun confiscation...I wish that could happen in my country

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  1. Rucker61

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    Who is the gun lobby? It's the NSSF. Here's the spending:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000054336

    Ooooh, $3M per year.

    How much did both Bloomberg and the NRA spend on the Nevada gun control just passed?
     
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    We don't actually know how much is spent by the gun industry. Now that dark money can be given to PAC's there is no limit to how much they could have give and we will never know. And I bet they are spending big time.
     
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    It also takes 38 states. Good luck with that.
    The 2nd will never be repealed, because reasoned, thinking people are not swayed by fallacious appeals to emotions and/or post hoc arguments - such as yours.
     
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    Gun companies have full disclosure of funds given to NRA, for Tax reasons and advertising purposes.

    NRA as well as those businesses has documentation available to all interested parties.
    Money donated to NRA is no secret and helps fund many worthy efforts like
    Eddie Eagle.
     
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    They do not have full disclosure over funds they give to PAC's which support the gun lobby
     
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    The NRA is one of the most tracked representative groups in the US an there are no bombshells yet found. Little is hidden from it's members.
    https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=1854
    NR A money is spent on behalf of it's members who would not contribute if they didn't find it in their interest.
    As for Bloomberg spending... it's his money, so what?
     
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    Nothing is impossible. The constitution was amended once before, when women were granted the right to vote. This demonstrates that it's not an infallible document.
     
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    In all US history, even at the height of gun control in the US, there has never been enough votes in Congress (requires 2/3 vote in each house) or in state legislatures (2/3 of state legislatures) to mount a chance to the 2A. Any move to do such now would meet such massive resistance that it will never get the support. There are more guns (more than all the armies combined in the world) in the US among 120 million civilian gun owners. Any hint of government incursion has resulted in armed people, many ex military, rallying to resist the government such as at the Bundy ranch. Btw, that 120milion gun owners might represent 1/3rd of the population, but they are virtually all voters.

    Below are armed citizens standing off the government, fully expecting an armed confrontation.
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    Americans number one fear is of their own government and that fear has increased significantly during Obama's term.

    No, eliminating the 2A is a Pollyanna dream. It's why a major criteria over the battle of selecting SCOTUS justices is so volitile; the Dems hope to stack the court with justices that will legislate from the bench to render the 2A impotent.

    So, dream on.
     
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    What was the NRA/ILA revenue in 2014?

    How is this meaningful? The NRA publishes magazines read by gun enthusiasts -- why would it -not- sell advertising to any number of manufacturers related to the gun industry?
     
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    The 2nd will never be repealed, because reasoned, thinking people are not swayed by fallacious appeals to emotions and/or post hoc arguments - such as yours.
     
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    It's been amended 17 times since the Bill of Rights was ratified, and each time it took 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states. Find a recent red/blue map of the states. Start counting red states. Stop when you get to 13.
     
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    No need to ammend the constitution. LOTS of gun control can be done at the state and federal level without it
     
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    Matt Damon should be boycotting any role that involves a gun if he believes this firmly in making guns more controllable in the US. Instead, he makes them guns more and more relevant and interesting with every movie. He won't boycott it though...wants that money :)

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    That's was the method used for decades, but the trend has been for gun rights at the state level, both states becoming 'Shale Issue' or Constitutional Carry and while Tump is playing, it is unlikely he will sign any Anti gun rights Legislation.

    http://constitution.com/another-state-embraces-constitutional-carry/

    With Obama helping the swing to GOP at the State Level, they now dominate,

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...re-seats-gop-dominance-state-legislatures-all

    So, I expect the trend will continue.

    You might see more luck with a Pacifica Exit. Unlike the 1860's, many would be happy to see it happen...it would be a good place for gun control advocates, pro-illegals, and Pollyannas to flock to. Mexico would take them back and Canada has offered accept them, and even as the Republic of Pacifica, they would have a larger economy than most counties. They could even become part of Austrailia with a Govenor Daemon.
     
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    The Democrats will never let CA go -- doing so means they will never again win another Presidential election or control the House.
     
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    A Pacifica Republic gives them a Place to go.
     
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    If they -really- wanted to leave where they are, they would have moved to Canada, the UK or Australia by now.
     
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    It would be nice if they did leave.
     
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    They're too controlling -- they want to bend people that do not agree with them to their will.
     
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    Such was advocated in another thread for those of us that live in dangerous communities, rather than have a gun for SD. But, like a rabbit, if you stay real still...
     
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    Well, yes. A few of us suggest, gun control and other legislation they usually advocate is usually about creating dependencies and people control. I find it amazing that in a few places, you can't find salt on tables in restruants or venders can't sell jumbo drinks. Eat your vegitables or you won't get your non-fat, calorie- less desert.
     

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