Mattis Admits No Evidence Assad Used Poison Gas

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  1. ocean515

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    Your claims are not backed by available information.


    Those attacks prompted the international community to pressure disarmament of the Syrian Armed Forces from chemical weapons, which was executed during 2014. Despite the disarmament process, dozens of incidents with suspected use of chemical weapons followed throughout Syria, mainly blamed on Syrian Ba'athist forces, as well as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and even on Syrian opposition forces and Turkish Armed Forces.[2]

    In August 2016, a report[3] by the United Nations and the OPCW explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015 and ISIS for using sulfur mustard on the town of Marea in August 2015.[4] Several other attacks have been alleged, reported and/or investigated.

    https://undocs.org/S/2016/738

    There is sufficient information for the Panel to conclude that the incident at impact location No. 2 was caused by a Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter dropping a device causing damage to the structure of a concrete block building and was followed by the release of a toxic substance that affected the population

    81. The allegations of the use of Convention-listed chemical weapons and/or toxic chemicals as weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic received by the Mechanism from Member States between December 2015 and August 2016 include sarin (13), sulfur mustard (12), VX (4), chlorine (41) and other toxic chemicals or agents (61). The information suggests the involvement of both the Government and other actors in these alleged incidents
    Based on your responses, you seem to be attempting to suggest Assad has not used chemical weapons. Further, you've suggested the UN has concluded only rebels are responsible for their use.

    Given the available information, both of your claims are not supported.
     
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    its in several of their reports.

    the Syrian govt. used chlorine gas against civilians.
     
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    UN Report states:


    Government forces continued to perpetrate massacres and conduct widespread attacks on civilians, systematically committing murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearance amounting to crimes against humanity. Government forces have committed gross violations of human rights and the war crimes of murder, hostage-taking, torture, rape and sexual violence, recruiting and using children in hostilities and targeting civilians. Government forces disregarded the special protection accorded to hospitals and medical and humanitarian personnel. Indiscriminate and disproportionate aerial bombardment and shelling led to mass civilian casualties and spread terror. Government forces used chlorine gas, an illegal weapon.


    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/CoISyria/A.HRC.27.60_Eng.pdf
     
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    In order to stop Obama's attack, Vladimir Putin said he will destroy all the weapons, which he did. Everything was inspected by the US and by the UN, and they signed the papers that all the chemicals was destroyed.

    I think they came from Israel Ronstar to blame Assad, after all they are on good terms with Al Nusra and they don't like the Alawites and the Christians in Damascus. Maybe because they're too tolerant and inclusive. What do you say?
     
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    Considering I did not make any claims .. not sure where you get the "both claims not supported".

    Second, I was referring to the 2013 attack and the use of Sarin - kind of the point in asking "which attack".

    Third .. have you read the UN document linked to in your post ? There is considerable uncertainty expressed in the investigation. Regardless - even if the SAAF used chlorine barrel bombs on the date in question, this in no way makes Assad guilty for the latest chemical attack.

    The rebels were also using chemical weapons. Just as Assad using these weapons in the past does not make him responsible for this latest attack... the rebels using these weapons in the past does not make them responsible.
     
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    I say Syria didn't get rid of all their chem weapons and keep using them to till this day.

    meanwhile you guys still deny Syria EVER used them, even though the UN says otherwise.

    tell us, do you ever question ANYTHING Russia ever says or does?
     
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    There is no civil war in Syria. There is the legitimate democratic Syrian government fighting terrorists, who have been trained and supported by criminal nations. These criminal nations have resorted to every deception and atrocity imaginable against the Syrian people so they can grab their lands and resources.
     
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    I look at the people who are saying it, and how many lies I have caught them in.
     
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    all you are doing is repeating Assad's propaganda, robotically.
     
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    ok, so you believe Russia has done no wrong and can never do anything wrong.

    I have a co-worker just like you.

    all he talks about is how evil America is, all the bad things we have done,

    but Russia? blameless, harmless, only good intentions, never lies.

    Putin? the closest thing we have on Earth to an angel.


    what does it look like to me? blind faith, idolatry
     
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    It's not difficult to make chlorine gas, so this is irrelevant if the issue is whether or not Assad used chlorine gas.
    FAKE NEWS ALERT!
     
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    FAKE NEWS ALERT!
     
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    Russia and Trump are the Kings of Fake News.

    two pees in a pod
     
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    Neocon MIC $#^&holes have either drugged Trump with some drug that changed his brain chemistry, or Trump has been coopted and is now a willing puppet.
    Might has well have elected the other leftist ****, Hillary, and let the globalists start WW3, cause this Trump clown is DELUSIONAL.
     
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    Vladamir Putin said he would destroy all the chemical weapons held by another country?

    Apparently he didn't, according to the UN.

    And since you believe Putin took ownership of Syrian's chem weapons, was he also responsible for the use of them in 2015?
     
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    Yes I read the report. How else would I have been able to paste excerpts from it?

    You have claimed Syria has not used chemical weapons, and further there is UN support to that claim. I have provided a UN report that does not support that claim.

    I don't know what your objective is, but it appears you are attempting to float disinformation that borders on propaganda.
     
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    Support is one thing - proof is another. Don't blame me for your inability to distinguish the difference.

    Second - your report is discussing a different incident than the 2013 incident. Third - the chemical used was Chlorine and not Sarin.

    Then you put false words in my mouth - Strawman Fallacy.

    I did not claim that Syria has not used chemical weapons.

    Then you finish with claiming disinformation and propaganda - yet you are unable to point out a single thing that backs up your claim - other than false statements about what I have said.
     

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