Mattis Admits No Evidence Assad Used Poison Gas

Reporting and repeating are not synonymous.

 

Sounds more like... when the GOP are lying, than you go like it's the fault of the "left" media and nevermind the GOP is lying. The responsibility lies at the people who make up the crap. It's not the fault of "the media" that they are giving air time to what the US government says, in a way that it all needs to be censured if they can't verify the truth etc.

 

That may be, but @Ethereal misrepresented what Mattis said and I took exception...

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...assad-used-poison-gas.525891/#post-1068667320​

@Ethereal is trying to gaslight us.

 

An unusual and salutary report by a major US media outlet on Syrian use of chemical weapons.

http://www.newsweek.com/wheres-evidence-assad-used-sarin-gas-his-people-810123

We can add France's Macron to the growing list of those who now state that there is no evidence Assad used chemical weapons in Syria:

https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/19/falsehoods-and-lies-inciting-war-is-a-war-crime/

 

this is a lie.

Mattis says they didn't use sarin, but we know they used chlorine gas.

"The UNHRC commission later confirmed the use of sarin in the Khan al-Asal, Saraqib and Ghouta attacks, but did not mention the Jobar and the Ashrafiyat Sahnaya attacks. The UNHRC commission also found that the sarin used in the Khan al-Asal attack bore "the same unique hallmarks" as the sarin used in the Ghouta attack and indicated that the perpetrators likely had access to chemicals from the Syrian Army's stockpile."

In its report dated 13 August 2014 they accused Government forces of using chlorine gas in 8 incidents in Idlib and Hama governorates in April 2014.

 

UN Human Rights Counsil reported:


The findings presented in the present report, based on 480 interviews and evidence collected between 20 January and 15 July 2014, establish that the conduct of the warring parties in the Syrian Arab Republic has caused civilians immeasurable suffering.

Government forces continued to perpetrate massacres and conduct widespread attacks on civilians, systematically committing murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearance amounting to crimes against humanity. Government forces have committed gross violations of human rights and the war crimes of murder, hostage-taking, torture, rape and sexual violence, recruiting and using children in hostilities and targeting civilians. Government forces disregarded the special protection accorded to hospitals and medical and humanitarian personnel. Indiscriminate and disproportionate aerial bombardment and shelling led to mass civilian casualties and spread terror. Government forces used chlorine gas, an illegal weapon.

 

Mattis was correct - It was not proven that Assad used Sarin. The newsweek story doesn't lie. The big lie is propagated by the majority of the MSM, the political establishment, and the establishment bureaucratic pundits.

If you have not realized by now that the MSM is a propaganda arm of the Establishment - you have not been paying attention.

 

Of course Newsweek twisted and tweaked the truth. Don't forget, Assad promised to destroy their chemical weapons in response to what it did before. If they didn't use chems, why promise to destroy them. Then, chems are used again.

I won't disagree the MSM has become a tool of the political establishment. I have never experienced such a unilateral bias in the media. The big concern would be those people who don't understand what political establishment it is serving. If they don't know, they haven't been paying attention.

 

Some people need to be educated on Syria. They don't have a clue what's been going on in that God forsaken country. Radical Sunni extremists certainly obtained chemical weapons. One way or another.

How the Islamic State Seized a Chemical Weapons Stockpile
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/17/how-the-islamic-state-seized-a-chemical-weapons-stockpile/

Since its creation, we have learned about the Islamic State from its enemies. Its story has largely been told by those fighting the group in Iraq and Syria, traumatized civilians who have escaped its brutal rule, and the occasional defector. That is about to change. This is the story of Abu Ahmad, a Syrian operative for the Islamic State who witnessed the group’s lightning expansion firsthand and spent months among its most notorious foreign fighters.

In this series of three articles, he provides unique insight into how Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s political scheming paved the way for its expansion into Syria, al Qaeda’s efforts to stem the group’s rise, and the terrifying weapons in the arsenal of the self-proclaimed “caliphate.” Some names and details have been omitted to protect Abu Ahmad. Read part one here and part three here.

Abu Ahmed told us how the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) came to acquire some of the world’s most fearsome weapons, which were claimed as spoils of war from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces months before its creation...

Roughly four months before the split between the Nusra Front and ISIS, in December 2012, dozens of Syrian jihadi fighters climbed a hill toward Regiment 111 — a large army base near the town of Darat Izza, in northern Syria. That town had been taken roughly five months earlier by a coalition of rebel groups. But while they had besieged Regiment 111 since the summer of 2012, they still had not succeeded in capturing the base from the troops loyal to President Assad.

 

The UN investigators say the Syrian govt. used chlorine gas on its civilian population.

 

It's been over a year and a half since then, though, and ISIS is on the way out by all reports, isn't it?

 

Not sure what "before" you are referring to. Regardless - the rebels have been shown to have used chemical weapons previously and this latest attack - and Kahn stink to high heaven like a false flag.

 

there is no way we know Syria govt use chemical weapon or not, simply those chemical weapon can also be found under rebel/ISIS hand by now. So until some independent investigation come up a conclusion, we all just BSing.
From Syria/Russia perspective, they are winning the war, gaining territory back, no point for them to use chemical weapon and get bad publicity and west retaliation.

 

Did Syria promise to destroy it's chemical weapons stockpiles?

 

Radical Sunni extremists are spread around in different groups. ISIS is just one of them. I don't believe in re-branding. Are you telling us now that Al-Qaeda extremists are freedom fighters?

 

Are terrorists flying helicopters around and dropping chemical weapons on sites known to have been struck by Assad's forces?

 

Yes. What is your point ?

 

Why did Syria promise to do that?

 

What is it that you want to say ... speak already. I am not one of those idiots that is going to obfuscate and feign disingenuous ignorance when presented with coherent information.

Syria apparently destroyed its chemical weapons stockpiles. Not sure what the verification process was.

 

Syria claimed they would destroy their chem weapons stockpiles in response to chem weapons attacks attributed to Assad.

If they had nothing to do with that original attack, why would they promise to destroy it?

 

Which attack are you talking about ? the 2013 attack was attributed to the rebels - by the UN

Chemical weapons are a no no... regardless of whether they are used or not. Obviously a chemical attack - regardless of the source - would put pressure on Assad to get rid of his chemical stockpiles. Quite logical.

 

All of Syria's chemical weapons were removed by Russia under US and UN inspection. The first chemical attack which occurred when Assad's forces were winning the battle - and that Obama planned on using to bomb Damascus and turn it into a second Libya, was brought into Syria from Turkey. The delivery was caught at the border by Turkish guards, who didn't know the delivery was by the MIT. It was brought up by an opposition leader in parliament, and the editor of the newspaper that disclosed it was jailed. Eventually the paper was taken over or closed.

Every accusation Washington has made against Syria and Russia has been an outright lie, and they all defy logic, so why should this one be any different? They all follow the same pattern which is exactly what Hitler's propaganda minister said. Repeat something often enough no matter how ridiculous it is, and people will believe it.

What is abhorrent, is that the government of the US is deceiving the very people that it is supposed to represent. So much for our democracy. I can just picture our Founding Fathers turning in their graves.

 

no, Syrian govt. clearly hid some.

and are now using them to murder.

 

UN said Syria used chemical weapons during the civil war, against civilians

 

Not to my knowledge ... partisan members of the security council kangaroo club said that but, there it has not been proven that Syria used Sarin against civilians.