So in other words you have proven my prediction. I will repete it here So what I have found happens often is some people google the first article they can find that tells them what they want to hear. They than post it thinking or wanting it to be true and support their narrative they desire. When they are challenged to support the claimed myths in the article [the authors could not even defend the claims] and are given sources/facts that refute those claims, they stand alone and are unsure what to do as they have supported a myth. This has just happened above. You added some nice logical fallacies in there but of course no support or evidence for any of the claims you support from your higher power the guradian. Of course i am not at all surprised as my prediction said this is what would happen. So since you refuse to debate and support claims i will refute the rest of the claims from the article just for fun. Obama’s statements therefor reflect well-accepted historical knowledge. The first claim being anything said by Obama must be true and are "well accepted historical knowledge" of course as i showed the leading medieval historians would differ with that claim as far as it being true. But it is true in that many accept the myths given in the article. The reason I already gave. Its a great example, we can believe the common myths about the crusades if we read only unsupported politically motivated articles and give them papal infallibility while throwing our brains out the winder and refusing to read about the crusades from heretical sources [actual medieval historians, books, original sources etc ] or we can read leading historians such as some of the books below. But if we do that we can no longer believe the myths since they will actually support their position with historical fact and original sources. So unless we are politically motivated to deny truth in search of political correctness, we can learn what actually happened." So if it is accepted by many Guardian reads/authors, that just proves my earlier quotes. "Medieval historians have long known that popular culture image of the crusades has nothing at all to do with the events themselves" -Thomas Madden Professor of History and Director of the Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies at Saint Louis University "Many in today's society believe the false history presented by critics. Enforced by the media, Hollywood and other outlets, popular perception of historical events reigns supreme even when that perception is completely at odds with historical reality" -Steve Weidenkompf The Glory of the Crusades “Great historical myths die hard....writers continue to spread traditional myths....even though they are fully aware of the new findings. They do so because they are determined to show that religion, and especially Christianity, is a dreadful curse upon humanity.” -Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History “It is so easy, in fact, to manipulate history... for a public that is not knowledgeable about it. We have nearly daily evidence of this on television” -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco "The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its history. Then have somebody write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history" -Milan Hubl, Czek communist “If you can cut the people off from their history, then they can be easily persuaded.” -Karl Marx Of course what is important is what is true not believed by faithful guardian readers. The Inquisition led to the execution of many people guilty – at most – of thought crime. I want you to support this claim as well. To tell the truth of the inquestions we must once more go to actual medieval historians rather than unsuported political claims. Medieval Myths- the Inquisitions http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/medieval-myths-the-inquisitions.564748/ Christianity has been regularly and explicitly used to justify colonization, slavery, cultural destruction and racial discrimination. These are simply undisputed facts, I would love for you to support this. To refute read the following. The Middle Ages- The Dark Ages? http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/medieval-myths-the-dark-ages.564747/ Medieval Myths- Democracy is a Better System Than Monarchy http://www.politicalforum.com/index...racy-is-a-better-system-than-monarchy.564758/ I am also wondering as a secularist, how can you say slavery/racism/colonization etc are wrong? how do you justify them as a moral wrong if atheism be true? I like forward to the answer.