Melbourne attack: One person dead after man sets car on fire and stabs pedestrians

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  1. slipperyfish

    slipperyfish Well-Known Member

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    Then please show me an Islamic country that is as tolerant of other faiths and cultures as we are. One who is devoid of religious persecution. I am not talking biggotry, as we have plenty of that, I am talking persecution. I stand by my opinion that the Islamic Faith is no friend of multiculturalism.

    You are correct, they have been here peacefully for decades. This is because they represent a rather small but increasing number overall. That was my point. But as the minority migrate to more localised environments creating majority localised population, for a number of reasons, including acceptance and familiarity, we are seeing an increase in anti social behaviour due to faith. Is this a coincidence?

    I imagine if you were to break down the last ten years of terror related violence in Australia, you would find well over 90% were committed in the name of Islam. I might be wrong, but any less would surprise me. To me that is a problem, and not a “ lone wolf” one.

    I am not anti Muslim, I just don’t believe the two faiths can coexist in equilibrium under a society who’s laws and way of life have been derived from the laws of one faith or the other. It may work in some future athiestic utopia, but LRL I think you and I would have more of a chance in walking to the moon.
     
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    Great post. Agree 100% with everything you said.
     
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    I love these answers, "I don't know what the answer is, I just know what it isn't". A long term solution is not to lock all Muslims in Muslim only countries.
    I don't pay much head to what I read on the internet and even less to what I read in the paper and very little of what politicians tell us.

    I actively talk with people, actual Muslims that I know who are as proactive as I am.

    They are more concerned then I am actually as I have never met any who would like to live any other way. Most of them are more fearful of their lives and as we now the terrorists have killed many more Muslims then non Muslims.

    They also fear that people with alterior motives will use the terrorists to further their ambitions as we have seen with Russia and the USA using terrorists to gain access to either oil or strategic positions.

    The problem is that they have stirred up hornet's nests and fanned the embers of fires that have been smoldering for centuries that have more to do with cultural differences then religious ones.

    Now the embers are more than smoldering they are becoming flames and we are getting burnt.

    There is ultimately two solutions, a peaceful one or a non peaceful one. The first is my choice.
     
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    WE are working toward reducing the racism we were once known for

    What is your excuse?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know how you got away with that! Oh I see - you wrote an upside down 'i'. I'll have to see if I can get away with using an upside down 'n' for a 'u', nudge-nudge, wink-wink??
     
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    58. I am well aware of what Jihad means.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Years is irrelevant - I've known older individuals than that who were naive and unworldly.
     
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    “The servants of God do not rely for their protection on material defenses but on the divine Providence.” Ambrose
     
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    What a pathetic response to terrorism by the Victorian government. Apparently they are planning to ban the 400 people on the watch list from entering the Melbourne CBD.
    How do they plan to do that? Put ankle bracelets on all of them.
    Maybe theyll have a border drawn up around the CBD with border guards
    checking your drivers license.
    And what about the rest of Victoria. Maybe blow something up in Bendigo or Ballarat
    or where ever.
    Words fail me.
    This political incompetence is just a government justifying its existence by being seen
    to be doing something and costing $89.5 million
    If they are going to be banned from the CBD, why not deport all of them.
    Gutless, just plain gutless.
    But just before an election...funny that...
    And absolutely no mention of placing mosques or imans under surveillance...
    https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=FCAU10&PC=MC04&q=victoria+to+ban+400+people+from+cbd
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :rolleyes: I might have known it - all men are created equal in the sight of the almighty who loves us all, including paedophiles and psychopathic murderers. WTF makes these people tick? :wall:
     
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    I have known a few god botherers over the years and they are just wired wrong.
    I was going to say wired differently..but wrong is more appropriate.
    Speaking with them they just just appear to be from another planet or something...
    All comes down to the brainwashing they suffer from childhood of course.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've always put it down to genetics, but I guess the 'Get 'em young and you've got 'em for life' can enter into it along the way.
     
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    We elected a Black man to the most powerful political and executive office in the history of humanity back in 2008 and none of us rioted in the streets; and in fact when that president turned out to be a nation-hater and also spent the next eight years TRYING to start race riots through constant race baiting STILL nobody rioted in the streets except for triggered leftists essentially following presidential orders. Pretty cool, eh?
     
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    Repectfully, stuff you both.
     
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    Well, who would have thought.....breaking news...(tomorrows headlines)
    Two levels of Police in Victoria arent talking to one another.
    The terrorist was released on bail weeks ago, and the Police didnt know that the Feds had him on a watch list...
    Makes you wonder just how incompetent these people really are....
    The left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing.....where have I heard that before....
    Keystone cops..!!!!!!!
    And theyve only just overhauled the Victorian Parole system...
     
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    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...or-plots-plans-expansion-20181115-p50gbg.html

    Why isnt this mosque closed down and the iman charged?
    The iman is lying through his teeth and just playing the victim
    as they always do. How long will it be before authorities start
    closing down mosques?

    Jihad follows a swing pattern: 1) migration 2) attacks 3) rest, consolidation, and expansion using the avails of attacks then 4) more attacks. Islam advances into enemy territory using Mohammed’s successful method.

    The only way to stop jihad, then is to stop the expansion. Fortunately, Islamic expansion can be curtailed by using the by-laws in place that make expansion difficult.

    The way to turn back the growth of Islam is to 1) increase one’s own knowledge of jihad, taqiyya and al Walaa wal Baraa (Islamic apartheid), 2) support counterjihad leaders who help to debunk Islam and influence Muslims to abandon Islam 3) share the knowledge of jihad, taqiyya and al Walaa wal Baraa with one’s community leaders. Once the general population knows Islam’s ESSENTIAL TEACHINGS, there can be no hope of Islamic expansion.
     
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