Melbourne nightclub shooting leaves one dead, three injured

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought something like this could never happen down under because of their so wonderful gun control laws.

    Bottom line, gun control laws be dammed, evil will always find a way to commit evil.

    One man has been killed and three others wounded in a shooting outside a popular nightclub in the Australian city of Melbourne.

    Three security guards from the Love Machine venue and a man queuing outside were shot in the incident on Sunday.

    "It would appear that shots have been discharged from a car in this area into a crowd standing outside," inspector Andrew Stamper told the media.

    Police say there is no evidence to suggest the shooting is terror-related.

    Mass shootings in Australia are rare. The country overhauled its gun laws after 35 people were shot dead in Port Arthur, Tasmania in 1996.


    The country saw its worst incident since then last year when seven members of the same family died in a murder-suicide.

    The suspected murder-suicide of a family of seven in Western Australia has inevitably revived discussion of the laws, often described as among the strongest in the world.
     
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    Don't let one unfortunate incident deter you from supporting gun control. Overall, the US has a much worse problem with gun violence.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again you are incorrect, first I do not support any form of gun control and second, I fully realize something you are clueless about, that is compared to countries in the West, we way down on the list of gun crimes per capita.

    Do some serious research and come back here when you actually have a clue about the subject.
     
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    How many times have I said "Aussie gun laws do not prevent mass shootings"?
     
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    Same can be said for supporting gun rights. Don't let a statistically minuscule amount of shooting deter you from supporting gun rights.
     
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    You mean like the 1.91 kids per year that are murdered with an 'assault weapon' in a school shooting?
     
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  7. Galileo

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    "No lives matter."
    - the motto of many here
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Why should any one particular life matter than any other life? Why should those who meet their end due to illegal firearms use be given any greater degree of consideration than those who meet their end due to starvation, heart failure, or any number of avoidable circumstances?
     
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    Funny how all the important people protect themselves with lots of guns, even in countries where guns are banned or heavily restricted, huh?
     
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    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Evidence?
     
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    Reality Well-Known Member

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    If to "matter" you have to remove my rights then you're right, you dont matter to me.
     
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    We never said never

    Massive straw man

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    The sheer volume of posts dismissing the clear evidence for reduced gun violence with reduced gun numbers
     
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    Reduced numbers of legal firearms, does not mean there will be a corresponding reduced number of illegal firearms.
     
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    In fact the amount of illegal guns will only increase.
    You're creating a more powerful black market, and you're turning all the guns not turned in into illegal firearms.
    Buybacks and turn ins dont get anywhere near majority numbers.
     
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    Look at you, still trying to peddle your correlation proves causation nonsense.
     
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    Why did you think something so obviously false? Did anyone ever tell you something like this could never happen in Australia?

    If that's an argument against gun control, isn't it also an argument against pretty much every other legal restriction and regulation?
     
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    Good to see you agree those people who tell us Aussie gun control laws prevent mass shootings are wrong.
    They won't listen, however,
    Hardly.
    The fact people violate the laws against murder is not an argument against murder laws because those laws were not enacted prevent murder.
    Gun control laws, however, are enacted to prevent people who are not legally able to own guns from getting one.
    The failure of the latter is not comparable to the failure of the former.
     
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    Neither will you apparently, since that isn’t what I said. I ask you a direct question; did anyone ever tell you something like this could never happen in Australia?

    That isn’t the only legal or regulatory restriction though. Some people still drive drunk, without a licence or without insurance, some people still practice medicine without a licence, some people still sell prescription medication for recreational use and some people still shoot people. If the last example is an argument against gun control legislation, wouldn’t the same principle apply to all the other examples?

    I don’t have an answer, just establishing the complexities of the question. There are no easy answers.
     
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    I've been told innumerable times it doesn't happen, it won't happen, in Australia because of the Aussie gun laws.
    All of those are the same - the laws were not enacted with the goal to prevent the actions, but punish people after the fact.
    Because (huge majority of) gun control laws ARE enacted with the goal to prevent an action - the illegal acquisition of a firearm.
     
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    The biggest fault of logic people fall into is failing to understanding the purpose of laws.

    Laws are how societies outline what actions are acceptable and what are not. Laws give society the ability to punish citizens who refuse to conform to the rules of society. Laws that infringe upon the core rights of honest citizens that have committed no crime in hopes it will somehow affect the actions of criminals are wrong-headed in the extreme.

    Gun control is about restricting the self-defense rights of honest citizens because bad people use guns to do bad things, turning honest citizens into criminals.

    This is roughly akin to the far left's assertion that speech that offends them causes them emotional pain, so they are justified in using physical assault to silence speech that offends them. To them "Free Speech" is only what they want to hear, which proves they don't understand what a "Right" is in any way shape or form.
     
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    It's called living in a civilized society. In such a society people put down their guns and let the justice system resolve disputes between individuals.

    "The first power, viz. of doing whatsoever he thought for the preservation of himself, and the rest of mankind, he gives up to be regulated by laws made by the society, so far forth as the preservation of himself, and the rest of that society shall require; which laws of the society in many things confine the liberty he had by the law of nature."
    -John Locke

    I don't see the relevance.
     
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    One incident is conclusive proof that Aussie gun laws are 100% ineffective? Some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous in the extreme.
     
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    The private use of firearms is not for the purpose of settling disputes. Rather it is for an individual to avoid being murdered in a dispute gone wrong. Courts only come into the equation after the fact, after someone has already been the victim of a crime.

    Factually incorrect. An individual does not surrender the right to self defense as a requirement to live in society.
     
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    It is the same logic presented whenever supporters of greater firearm-related restrictions claim a single incident is conclusive proof that firearms must be subjected to far greater restrictions in response.
     

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