Melbourne nightclub shooting leaves one dead, three injured

Example?

 

Oh, PLEASE! You wouldn't know a "civilized society" if it spit in your eye.

A FREE civilized society recognizes the fundamental human rights of its people; including the right of self-defense! Criminals exist regardless of law, and criminals prey upon innocent people. It is the RIGHT of innocent people of ANY society to defend themselves against unprovoked criminal assault to preserve their own lives. Stripping them of their right to defend their lives is a direct attack upon their right to life itself.

If I'd "put down my gun" instead of having it with me to defend myself I'd be dead now.

No; of course you don't.

 

On that alone I’d agree with you but I think you’re definition is flawed too. The purpose of laws is to minimise harm and support the safe and effective running of a society. Establishing what are unacceptable activities and punishing those who break the law are methods to fulfil that purpose, not part of the purpose in and of themselves.

And lots of other laws restrict individual rights. Border controls restrict my right to free movement, marriage laws restrict my right to a family life, pretty much any law has the potential to restrict freedom of religious practice. None of those rights can be or have ever been entirely unconditional (if only because they sometimes conflict with each other) and one major aspect of a legal system is how it balances all those rights and the practical realities of implementing them fairly and effectively.

 

Sorry are you telling me you now accept research stating that reducing gun availability will reduce morbidity and mortality?

 

But the fact that gun control doesn't control violence would probably do little if nothing to curtail the violence. Keep in mind also that Australia is a secluded little island continent with no other nations boarding it. The United States shares a boarder with a much less developed country.

See we have this thing here called the cartel and they love killing people. They are typically illegally here and don't abide by many laws. It's a facet of life here that Aussies will likely never understand.

 

Because the pols and the Assies have been asserting that for years by falsely claiming if we adopted their laws such would stop mass shootings here.

So it's time to expose them for their lies and falsehoods.

 

All gun laws are ineffective when it comes to criminal misuse of guns, period and claiming otherwise is being ridiculous to the extreme..

 

Did anyone ever tell you something like this could never happen in Australia?

 

Which is false and you know it or where you unable to find that out on Google?

Oh that's right Google filters what you down-under can research and discover.

 

You seem to lack comprehension, I clearly stated the pols and the Aussies have been claiming if we adopt their gun laws it will prevent mass shootings here, as far as they are concerned they already live in a gun free zone.

 

You alleged generic groups been saying that, you’ve not actually demonstrated any individual making the specific statement. You’re also shifting the goalpost somewhat from the first line of your OP (“I thought something like this could never happen down under because of their so wonderful gun control laws.”) which is what I asked you about, specifically in relation to your claim that anyone said it could never happen. Couldn’t it be that you just misunderstood what has actually been said on the subject?

 

Just take a few minutes and you can find many examples of what I am talking bout in this forum.

Total BS and I did not misunderstood any of what has already been posted on the matter.

And the truth be told we in America are not like anyone anywhere else in the world, we actually have rights and find it quite insulting when people from other countries, who know nothing about America, other what their media has programmed them to think America is, proffer useless advice that only targets a symptom.

Unlike some countries our founders weren't shipped here in leg irons, they came here seeking freedom, fought for them and passed those freedoms down to all of us, in writing, which in my opinion is why so many around the world want to come here as well.

The U.S. isn't some third world s-hole, which is where a lot of these useless gun control ideas emanate from, s-holes where the government doles out freedoms as privileges like candy to children, we are born with our rights and will defend them to our death.

As such in my opinion the anti-gunners can go to H*** and take their anti-gun ideas for us and shove em where the sun doesn't shine.

 

I couldn’t find anyone claiming that Australian gun controls would guarantee any incident like this could never happen. How about we both quietly agree that you were just spouting exaggerated rhetoric for effect and that it would be better to focus on cold hard facts in future then leave it at that.

 

How about we agree you are too lazy to do the research and prove yourself incorrect.

 

And laws that infringe upon the most fundamental rights of the people do not minimize harm; they create it. We have a society where one of our core precepts is the right to Life, and the right to defend it. A responsibly armed citizenry enhances safety; but our people today reject their own responsibilities towards their own security and demand the state protect them... and the more the state imposes on the rights of the people the worse the problems get.

And not ONE of them was passed via Constitutionally legitimate means.

 

This afternoon in California a School Board will be holding a meeting to address concerns by parents of elementary school children, who have to walk to their school bus stops, early in the morning, in darkness and many of whom have to cross public roads unassisted.

[s/on]Meanwhile dad is in the bathroom wiping it off getting ready to head to work, while mom, still in bed, try's to sleep off her cocaine/opioid/booze/reefer hangover.[s/off]

 

Oh, Christ on a crutch..... How hard their lives must be....

 

There is no such thing as gun violence, there is only violence committed by people. The gun is just a tool. Do you call an auto wreck car violence or the terrorist who drives a truck into a crowd truck violence, of course not. That would be ridiculous, just as anyone that calls murder gun violence, would be.

 

Actual research, yes. Not a cherry picked stat to support your agenda.

 

Reefer hangover?

Put the reefer madness tape down man. You're going to hurt yourself.

 

Learn how to comprehend, mom has a hangover from doing all four not just the one you are taking out of context.

 

Learn how to comprehend: You can stack weed with as many other psychoactive substances you like, there is no such thing as a "weed" hangover. The hangover would be from the cocaine, the pills, the booze, or all 3 together, weed wouldn't even contribute. (reeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bad idea by the way. Any of those is bad enough on their own, but all 3 together at recreational doses? I'm surprised mommy woke up at all.)
It would help you taper off the perception of the symptoms of the hangover though, since its a fairly powerful anti-emetic and provides a fairly minor, though noticeable, feeling of well-being (particularly when ill or in pain as these sensations tend to even each other out.) and the main symptom of opioid and alcohol withdrawal are nausea and a general malaise.

 

None the less you didn't get it and still don't get it.

Besides not everyone has the same reaction to cannabis.

 

Nah man, I get it you're just talking about something that doesn't happen in real life and only occurs in reefer madness land IE a hangover contributed to by marijuana.


Unless you have an allergy, which is rare, you will not have a cannabis induced hangover. If you DO have the allergy, the "hangover" will be a) your body's reaction to an allergen (closing airway, headaches etc) and b) your recovery from your body's reaction to an allergen not what normal people associate with the term hangover: the symptoms of unease, discomfort, nausea, weakness, sweats etc that comes with withdrawal symptoms from various psychoactives, including alcohol and opioids but not including marijuana, on top of dehydration.

 

Again more assumptions failing to understand there are many physiological which can vary ones response to cannabis, none the less you still totally fail to comprehend of what I posted and are trying to mask that failure by diverting off the whole and focusing on a singular.