Men Avoiding Marriage/Kids: Good or Bad?

Men: no longer expected to be ambitious, breadwinner, chivalrous thanks to feminism. Porn and video games stimulate the reward center of their brain. Millennials are very hedonistic. Having kids is looked down upon. No stigma around single mothers or abortion anymore. Easy one night stands on Tinder. Divorce court strongly favors women. Men also age better than women and a bachelor is envied by most married men. There is a large group dedicated to this called MGTOW. The list goes on.

Meanwhile women are pursuing professional careers over children or living in their 30's like it's their 20's but they will be lonely spinsters in their 40's and beyond. They would likely be happier in a traditional motherly role.

On the other hand, the world is arguably overpopulated so maybe it is a good thing. It will be interesting to see demographics shift in the next 100 years.

 

The white race will become extinct, partially due to the problem you've highlighted.

But don't worry. For every white person that dies, there are several third worlders willing to take our place to turn the U.S. into a third world hell hole.

 

I can't find any nice girls for free, when I don't have any money.

Guess I have to wait until I can afford a nice girl under our form of Capitalism.

 

Correction: Asia and Africa are overpopulated. America and Europe are not, and neither is Russia.

There are pros and cons with this, but I am not going to go into detail. Would end up with half a novel before I am done.

The guys who don't end up having kids will be ending their genetic line, same for the women. One is not obligated to have children. It's not a natural law you have to follow.

Because lets face it. Some parents quite honestly don't even deserve kids. Some kids don't deserve parents. Some parents who can't have kids deserve them. Some just don't want kids.

It's a matter of choice. A choice you are going to have to respect regardless of what people choose.

 

Well, I am sorry to hear you done gone an got under the spell of feminization...

 

Maybe you just don't know how to schmooze da ladies the right way. I can give you a lesson but I can't give you hutzpah.

 

I basically agree with your point, but there is one aspect of the OP that I don't believe is necessarily true.

The idea that a woman, who remains single her entire life, isn't guaranteed to become an unhappy spinster. Since people have control over their emotions, they can choose happiness.

 

For young men today, marriage and children are as risky as taking up heroin as a casual "hobby" if not moreso. It's an individual choice as to whether rewards are worth the risks.

Moreover, in a time where the necessity of children for survival is long past, for anyone claiming to have -real- and not hollow, politically motivated "feelz" environmental or climate change concerns, the single best life choice in furtherance of those beliefs is having few or no children and possibly adopting instead.

Someone who goes on and on about global warming, recycles, signs a check to Greenpeace, drives an economy car, etc., ... while having a passel of children... is either a flat out hypocrite or subject to some fundamentalist religious belief that expects they reproduce.

 

You make it seem like women don't like pizza. I really can handle uncommitted sex. I prefer not to lie about it.

 

I prefer to be free and free range my women(s).

 

It's always has been a crap shoot. I've had three wives and four kids, and yet life goes on. There are no guarantees in life except death and taxes.

 

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Really? I'll have to check it out, but I have no problem meeting them in person every day fer casual one night or day stands. In the 1970's we'd go to singles bars or swinger bars never knew their names just their faces and a few other body parts.

 

I think you're leaving out a very important piece of this puzzle, and it's economic. When saddled with large student loans, taking on a wife, family, and a mortgage isn't financially possible. Those working at a low paying full time job, and/or a couple of part time jobs, and maybe another gig, like Uber, on the side have no time. We have 6 million unfilled jobs, near zero unemployment, and wages fell by 1.8% in the second quarter this year. Until we see higher wages, we're going to decline in population. You can't grow the economy with declines in population and wages.

 

If the current population (below middle-class) that is having the most kids holds true whites will make a huge comeback if the millennial's don't want to work they will be poor and having nothing better to do than make kids.

 

All my millennial kids work who told you they don't?

 

The above approaches a great argument for encouraging tens of millions of folks to learn a trade instead of attend college and major in something with specious economic worth... undoubtedly the prime cause of what you describe.

Also introduces grounds for policy denying student loan guarantees based on field of study. Want to major in social sciences, communications, fine arts, liberal arts, resentment studies, etc., do so on one's own dime, not the taxpayers'. What a great idea! I'm sure gov-edu will agree.

No idea about other areas, but in mine it's tough to find competent mechanics, electricians, machine shop workers, IT workers, etc., and -those- are the well-paying jobs going unfilled, while we have gluts of social workers, women's studies "scholars," writers, economics majors, art history "pros," working dead end, low wage jobs after shelling out hundreds of thousands for paper that benefits their careers only in derivative, immaterial ways in no way justifying its cost. That rip-off is starting to sound like a Madoff level scam isn't it? Touting the importance of an undifferentiated college degree out of context as against more pragmatic training? Sounds like whoever is perpetuating that con should be in jail, right?

I'm sure the edu part of the gov-edu-union-contactor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex will get right on board with this new common sense narrative. Right?

 

Gee you sound like a communist.

 

Gee you sound like a troll.

Thanks for the block quote. Gets the truth out to more lurkers.

 

I have 6 trades yet no one wants to hire an old man.. Denying free will is a troll act of not defending freedom of choice, but fly away butterfly, fly away.
I also have two majors from college humanities and mass communications. I love those fields of study and you helped m by donating taxes to help pay fer college, sucker.

 

Reading your posts here (including unhinged stuff such as "denying free will"), I have a strong hunch your inability to find work has far more to do with other factors than your age.

 

No doubt, this is a part of the pie. It is also worth considering that higher IQs tend to divert people from having kids they cannot afford, with or without marriage.

If IQ is a factor we should see less kids, from marriage or otherwise in the groups with higher IQ averages and more kids from those with lower IQ averages. This increases the mix of lower IQ groups, with those groups growing in numbers, and generally dumb down populations overall.

No doubt there are several factors involved, and not just IQ level, like economics, culture and religion.

 

When someone claims that college funds from the public should be denied based on one's major in a college is denying free will, and makes it unequal in the eyes of the law..My inability to find work? Dear, I've been self-employed for thirty years...You either work fer someone else and earn them money or you work fer yerself and make yerself money, around three times more than the average wage for a trade...

 

That's the root of the problem isn't it? Non-committal men like you. By the way, weren't you the one correcting my English? Since when is there an "s" behind "women."

 

It's colloquial here in the foothills of the Ozarks and by the vie, I've already done passed my breeding years and raised 4 kids..Frickin' don't tell me how to live..

 

I was married for over 25 years. It turned into the worst nightmare of my life. I should have ended it after 5 years. In fact I should have ended it the day after we got married. On our wedding night she started cutting me off. Yes, I didn't get laid on our wedding night! She started making excuses and feeding me lies on day one. And it went downhill from there. But when I got married I thought it was for life and never questioned that until my life was a disaster. I was holding a gun to my head before I realized that my marriage was killing me, not just life. I kept thinking things will get better. I kept rationalizing the problems and making excuses for her. Eventually I realized my entire marriage was a gaslighting exercise and I had been an idiot. After I got some distance and could begin to look back on things objectively, I could see where I had been set up my entire life by religion, the media, social norms, feminism, and the highly abusive women in my family. My wife treated me like crap just like my mother treated my father; just like my aunts treated my uncles, and like my sisters treated their husbands. It all seemed perfectly normal.

My mother was a very strong woman who early on instilled a deep appreciation for social equality. So I was highly sensitive to the injustices women had endured. But over time I began to see how as women gained more power and the old norms melted away, men were getting a raw deal. As woman made gains, men lost more and more until we were effectively reduced to slaves. Work until you drop and don't expect to be happy. Sacrifice and expect nothing in return. To expect happiness is selfish. And everyone else's need come before ours. I began to see this in other men and saw what I call the walking dead - men just putting in their time and waiting to die. All around me I saw men who were just like me. No wonder marriages are failing. There is nothing in it for men.

I finally left her and started living the life of a sugar daddy. And there is no doubt about it, other men are jealous. I have a friend who was telling his friends about my new life. He would tell me about this from time to time. He told them how I lived a life of misery and loneliness and walked away. Now I see women who could be supermodels. The consensus response has been, in his words, that I'm a freaking genius. So you're right. Other men do envy my lifestyle. In fact I have found this to be so true that more than not, I learned to not tell other men about my lifestyle. The chances are, slowly they will become resentful. They won't be happy for my good fortune. They will slowly grow to hate me for it. And the reason is that they are trapped and can't see a way out.

But in the grander scheme of things I believe marriage is an outdated concept. It works for perhaps 25% of the population. The other 75% either end up divorcing, or staying together strictly for the kids and/or the financial advantages. I remember one older guy who was complaining about his wife and her perpetual nagging and antagonism. I asked why he doesn't just leave her. Why give up half of my stuff? he responded. Divorce typically means giving up 2/3 of what you have - half for the wife and the rest for the lawyers. So we become trapped. That is partly what kept me around for so long. We had a wonderful piece of property and lots of stuff. After spending years in court, walking away cost me almost everything. But I was holding a gun to my head and trying to pull the trigger before I walked a way. No price could be higher than that. It was only at the last moment that things really came into focus and I realized that life alone wasn't driving me to suicide, my marriage was.

I have talked with dozens of young women who see this in their own parents and reject the idea of marriage. I will never forget one young lady I saw. I asked if she planned to get married. Married?!?! she replied. My parents are divorced, my grandparents are all divorced, and they all hate each other. Why would I want to get married? So it isn't even working for women. They see how marriage has failed. Most tend toward concepts like open marriage or open relationships.The idea that you find your one and only and live happily ever after, is nothing but a fairly tale for most people now. I land in much the same place now. I want to have a woman or women in my life but not based on the old standards. We need companionship. But when it means giving up everything else to have it, it isn't worth it. So many people, the young and older people alike, are seeking out new options.

Marriage evolved out of practical need. But the world has changed. We don't need marriage as a survival mechanism. We can each make our own way in the world. And there is nothing wrong with being happy. People are becoming wise to this. We aren't here to serve some imaginary god or to sacrifice for some grander purpose. We are born, we live, we die. We only get so much time on this earth. And we need to make each moment count.