Men's Rights

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  1. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Women are both prettier and more vurnable than men and also carry the power of giving birth - they must be protected at all costs!

    Women are easy to change. If you are a good partner (a leader), they will follow you. If you wish, you can turn the most radical of intersectional feminist (not that anyone wants to date these, but still lol) into a full-blooded Nazi. :p
     
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    No, we are equals. Didn't you hear?

    LOL! Now I know you're very young and naive!

    The first rule of marriage: Don't expect to change your partner. That is the single biggest mistake that women make. They marry a man an immediately try to change them to what they want him to be. When that fails, the man is blamed. This is a very common pattern and cause of failed marriage.
     
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    Another issue that has come up over the years: Strippers. Women portray stippers as victims. Looks at the horrible things they have to do - dance naked in front of strangers, take abuse from unruly customers, being treated like a sex object...

    For this they can make up to $100 an hour or more. I risked my life in a very real sense, every day, for $10 an hour, when I was young. I was dragging 100 lbs of pipe or more per bundle, up a three story ladder, in 100 degree weather. One false move and you might well be dead or paralyzed. But yes, it is unfair that strippers are making only $100 an hour to dance and strut. Poor little dears.

    I would have given my eye-teeth to have a job like a stripper has. The only reason they are portrayed as victims is that they are women.

    I've never heard a whimper about male strippers being victims. Why not? They're men, of course!
     
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    A customer and I started talking yesterday. Before I knew it, he was explaining my position on all of this to me! He is in his mid 30s and proceeded to make my arguments almost point by point - a completely independent supporting conclusion based on observations.

    Interestingly, he's a physicist by training as well.

    I was also talking with a woman who is about my age and knows I see much younger women [I'm a sugar daddy]. Like my sister, it drives her nuts. She started interrogating me about how I can relate to women so young. So I pointed out that many parents will cite an adult child as a best friend. What's the difference? Response: "Mumble mumble mumble... Don't you want something more permanent?" she asked. I thought my marriage was permanent, I said. So much for that theory. So now I take it one day at a time. Round and round and round we went for about fifteen minutes. Finally I said, it is all very simple. This makes me happy. Marriage never made me happy.

    Well okaaaaaaaay, if it makes you happy... I guess... she replied. It was the one argument that left her baffled. I am doing what makes me happy and not what women think I should be doing. I get pretty much the identical response from my sister. Well oookaaaaay.... if that's what you think you want...:rolleyes: YES happy! I know this is something women often don't take into consideration but it matters. Men want to be happy too.

    Here is the bottom line: They are far more worried about some anonymous women finding a husband, than me being happy. My happiness is their last concern.

    It is especially insulting when I get an attitude from my sister. She knows the hell my ex put me through. She knows how malicious and selfish she is. She knows the huge toll it took on my life. She knows I almost blew my brains out. But it doesn't matter. It is as if it never happened. I should want to jump right back into the fire.
     
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    Also, this just caught my eye in another thread, in regards to the gas attacks in Syria.:

    Men don't matter.
     
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    Why IS there an entire forum dedicated to Women's Rights but none for men? Men get screwed in divorce and child custody matters, domestic abuse issues, we do the most dangerous jobs in the world, we have fought the wars, we built the country - from roads and bridges to dams and homes and nuclear power plants. And we are killing ourselves at rates as high as ten times that of women But nothing for men.

    This is a perfect example of the perpetuation of the claim that women are victims.
     
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    I do not know. I value a woman's life higher than that of a man's. No idea why, but instinctively, I just feel a dead woman is a bigger loss than a dead man. Even when it comes to children, a dead girl is worse than a dead boy.

    Most couples divorce because they are dumb. My parents divorced because they could not even communicate like adult human beings. In fact, I think I never saw them talk to one and other ever. Absolutely pathetic.
     
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    I'm sorry that you have internalized misandry
     
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    Absolute bullshit. Women are way more advantaged than men in many many ways. And those ways generally take the form of government discrimination. Life out on the street is not fair and never will be. But equal treatment under the law is a constitutional right, and we have every right to expect and demand such equality. From programs like WIC (free money for WOMEN infants and children), to the harsher prison sentences men get (while women aren't even prosecuted as often in the first place), the fact that men have their children taken from them in divorces, and then have to pay the woman child support and alimony for the privilege. These are REAL issues, BIG issues. Not like the so-called wage gap which is in reality about 5 cents and is more than made up for if you factor in the losses men suffer from the issues I just mentioned. What do you suppose the wage gap is between a free woman vs a man serving a prison sentence? How is a woman disadvantaged when a man makes 5 more cents (because he works a dangerous, back breaking job that she would never have to do), and then has to give it to her in alimony, child support, and taxes? Most men would gladly trade a prison sentence for that nickel.

    And that's just what the government does directly. Of course this has further consequences, such as men having much higher rates of suicide and homelessness after the government ruins their lives.
     
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    So are men demanding the right to be paid less for doing the same job as women? I guess we should have a men's rights section then.
     
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    JESUS!
     
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    No, men are demanding equal protection under the law, as is their constitutional right.
     
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    Example: WIC.
    You say this is for women. But, in reality men are just as much involved, responsible for, accountable for our children.

    You had to think men should be less responsible in order to see WIC as being for women.
     
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    That's it? You're just going to home in on the WOMEN, infants, and children (i.e. everyone but men) program and ignore the rest?
     
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    You gave that as an issue.

    I decided to take the time to point out the mistake in that.

    In general, I just don't believe you have a supportable position. Like with your example, you focus on the trials and tribulations of being a man (being held a little bit accountable for children, not making enough more than women make in wages/salary, etc.) and then moan.
     
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    You (intentionally?) ignored the bulk of my comment, the main point, which is that men do not get equal treatment under the law. So to keep you from going all tunnel vision on something you think you can nitpick, I am only going to address one issue in this post: if black people get longer prison sentences for the same crime than white people do, and whites are much more rarely even prosecuted for those crimes in the first place, you would see that as a discriminatory, unconstitutional problem that should be remedied, would you not? So why is it okay if the legal discrimination is along gender lines?
     
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    I responded to your concrete piece of evidence - WIC.

    I'm not ready to assume the broad premise that men are discriminated against. As with the WIC example, there are claims of discrimination that I might not accept as indicating a pattern leading to a conclusion of broad gender discrimination against men.

    There IS such evidence related to the "women's movement" - such as unequal pay.
     
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    No evidence? Apparently you missed this post:

     
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    Thanks - interesting study. I missed that post.

    We know there is significant discrimination in our system of arrest, prosecution and incarceration.

    We should be working on that. The BLM movement identifies other such issues with our systems of policing and prosecution. There is a lot to look at, and so far what I note is that our AG is opposed to doing so.
     
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    That's all I was asking for. I mean, maybe women's issues and minorities' issues aren't being solved, but at least they are taken seriously. When men say they have problems, people just tell them to quit whining, and call them "beta f*g". Being stereotyped as "privileged" is one of the worst things that can happen to a person seeking justice. But going to prison is no joke. In fact, it's one of the most terrible and serious things that can happen to a person. And I agree that this AG is unlikely to address anybody's problems.
     
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    Men have no rights. Get back to working for your whore single mother wife or you'll lose your kneecaps.
     
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    Quit crying like a gal, sissy boy! :laughing:
     
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    This one study isn't adequate evidence that men are suffering at the hands of law enforcement as significantly as other minorities.

    Also, I didn't see this topic as limited to law enforcement and our justice system.

    We do need progress, though, and it appears that federal leadership is not just uninterested, but ready to push in the opposite direction.
     
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    Like I said, I brought up this issue in isolation to keep from being diverted.

    I'm talking about the justice system because we have a right to demand fairness from it. Life on the street is not and never will be fair. But institutional governmental discrimination is another thing entirely, and much more egregious.

    As I said, I agree that Sessions was a bad pick for AG. In spite of the fact that he marched for civil rights in the 60s, he doesn't appear to be very interested in individual rights.
     
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