Mexican Guns

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Mexico has one gun store controlled by the army. Last year there were 34,000 homicides in Mexico. In the last 10 years 2.5 million guns have arrived in Mexico from the north. So what, you say? That alone illustrates the ease of obtaining weapons no matter the legality in the US.
    What can be done? In order of volume...none of which violate 2A.
    Close the private-sale loophole. 89% of people are in favor of it.
    Straw man purchases. When caught they are sentenced to probation. Benefits outweigh costs. The calculation needs to change.
    Theft. The theft of a gun has potentially serious consequences for society and charges should reflect that.
    Ghost guns. Legislation can fix that.
     
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    1: No it doesn't
    2: It -shoudl- be easy for the law abiding to exercise their rights.
    There is no such loophole.
    Straw purchases have been federal felonies since 1968.
    Blame leftists judges for these light sentences.
    You don't know what these are, you cannot explain what you want do with them, or why
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    1. The 2.5 million guns smuggled into Mexico were purchased legally?

    2. It should be difficult to obtain a handgun illegally.

    So a private sale requires a background check?

    Your source for its leftist judges are to blame?

    A ghost gun is a homemade or improvised firearm that lacks commercial serial numbers or a commercial firearm that has had its serial number removed
     
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    They send us illegal "immigrants", we send them illegal guns, seems reasonable to me.
     
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    How would any of your proposed "gun control" laws prevent a criminal from obtaining a gun?
     
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    Dunno. Were they?
    Its a federal felony to illegally own a gun
    What else do you want?
    It is impossible to legally avoid the background checks mandated by federal law - therefore, there can be no loophole.
    And cannot be legally transferred to anyone other than the person who built it; to do so is a federal felony.
    What do you suggest be done about this, and why is it necessary to do so?
    This is a federal felony - what do you suggest be done about this?[/quote]
     
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    The old guns for drugs and plague trade.
    Our economy would probably crash without it.
     
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    Sound like Mexico should build a wall.
     
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    I know, we should have U.S. agents allow thousands of firearms to flow south, and track them!
     
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    [/QUOTE]
    Owing to the insightful observation that illegal gun purchases are illegal and not seeming to know what a loophole means then its not any wonder that you didn't understand the point of the OP.
     
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    Correct. Given this, what else do you think need be done?
    You claimed a loophole in the law.
    As it is impossible to to legally avoid the background checks mandated by federal law, there can be no loophole.
    Thus, your claim is false.
    Apparently, the point of the OP is for the OP to lay out as list of restrictions he does not understand for reasons he cannot explain.
     
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    Every gun that I've purchased from a gun show was still subject to a federal background check...
     
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    The point of the OP was to reduce access to illegal guns which you seem not to be in favor of or can't understand the reasoning behind the suggestions.
     
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    ... through a list of restrictions you do not understand and for reasons you cannot explain.
     
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    There is no way to reduce criminal access to guns.
    Even total gun bans have not stopped criminals from having access to every kind of weapon.
     
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    In addition to closing the private sale loophole, a one gun a month law is needed. Gun trafficking becomes a lot less profitable when guns can't be purchased in bulk.
     
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    It is impossible to legally avoid the background checks mandated by federal law, and thus, there is no loophole.
    You cannot demonstrate the necessity for, or the efficacy of, this restriction.
     
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    More nonsense. Are you saying laws do not effect the crime rate.
     
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    Of course laws effect criminals. Violent crimes including gun crimes tend to soar after severe gun control laws are imposed.
    They make guns far more useful and effective for criminals to use.
     
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    You mean like what happened in Australia?
     
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    Guns can be easily obtained by criminals regardless of any gun control laws.

    "Philip Etienne - a former undercover policeman who has
    bought dozens of guns during his career with the Met, as
    detailed in his book, The Infiltrators - believes the problem
    is growing rapidly because criminals increasingly feel
    pressurised into carrying firearms.

    There are so many guns in circulation that, to the people
    selling them, they are just another commodity, just a way
    of making money. That's the business they're in and it
    wouldn't occur to them to do anything else. When I was in
    the police force, we concentrated on taking them out of
    circulation rather than making arrests. If we heard
    someone had guns for sale we would just go and buy as
    many of them as we could. But today there are so many
    out there, I don't think we could keep up.' Unfortunately,
    Etienne looks to be right."
    THIS IS LONDON, By Danny Brown, 2/28/02.
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynam...?in_review_id=509803&in_review_text_id=473066

    That was six years after the gun ban.
     
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    Guns can be easily obtained by criminals everywhere - including Australia.

    "A syndicate working out of a suburban Sydney post office smuggled more than 130 high-powered, highly restricted semi-automatic handguns into Australia through the mail, at a time when the city was in the grip of an outbreak of drive-by shootings.

    At the time of their arrest in 2012, the syndicate had plans to bring in hundreds more Glock pistols into Australia.

    Only a fraction of the handguns they smuggled in have ever been found. More than 100 are still on the streets, in the hands of criminals."
    ABC NEWS, The wake-up call: The gun-running syndicate that shocked Australian law enforcement, Four Corners, By Ben Knight and Clay Hichens, Updated 15 May 2017.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-15/four-corners-gun-running-syndicate-brought-down/8526592
     
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    Fact remains:
    You seek limits you do not understand, for reasons you cannot explain.
     
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    Their gun violence rate is much lower than America's. The facts simply don't support the claim that criminals can easily obtain guns regardless of any gun laws.
     

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