Mexico may elect a far left President

I'm running a risk of making a thread that will not age well but I wanted to address this first. Mexico will have an election on July 1st and the new President will be sworn in on 1st December. That means a lot can change in the months ahead.

From looking at the Wikipedia page, it seems that a presidential candidate with the last name of Obrador is leading in the polls. From what I read, he is a Chavez style politician and he has run for President 3 times including now. One interesting observation is that he has formed his own political party and his former left wing PRD party has formed an electoral alliance with the conservative PAN party. (by the way Americans, look at that: multiple political parties!) The third player which is the establishment corporatist fake left party called the PRI party has plummeted in the polls.

Anyway, I'm not sure what this means for US Mexico relations. Will there be more illegal immigration if Obrador wins? Will the Mexican drug cartels become more powerful and violent or less? And what does it mean for the wall?

Here's the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_general_election,_2018

 

Probably more crime, and people will wish more to flee to the US. Far left politics are laxist and favour so criminals, without considering their ability to waste money.

 

Tell us how that multiple party system is doing for Mexico.

lol

Its a mess down there and you want to try that here also?

 

Mexico is not a mess BECAUSE of its electoral system. It has multiple problems but people not being forced into party A and B in order to participate in the political process is not one of them. The only reason I point out multi party politics is because it should not be such an alien concept to Americans as it is right next door.

Are you suggesting MY country's problems (Indonesia) are caused because there is no two-party system here?

 

Chavez didn't wreck Venezuela in a day. There is a lot of ruin in a country, even a crappy one like Mexico. So short term, there won't be a lot of change. Long term, the left wing is only slightly more anti-American than the right wing in Mexico, but we might get more anti American rhetoric from Obrador, which can only help Trump.

 

Are you suggesting the problems in the US are the problem of our two-party system?

If not then what exactly is the need to change it since nobody's problems are caused from their political system?

 

There's a lot that can be said about electoral systems (which I don't want to get into because I'll go into a very long lecture) it but I'll only say that it's not thinking things fully through when you say "It's a mess down there and you want to try that here also?"

I actually did a lecture about voting systems at a local university and did Youtube videos on the subject. If you like, I'll start a thread in the Political Science part of the forum or have a private conversation with you.

 

Help me understand the problem with our political system if changing it to your style doesn't make a difference to anything.

You aren't being clear on that.

 

And where would you like to pick up our conversation? Because I won't do it on this specific thread.

 

You are the one insinuating that America's political system with only two political parties is bad in your OP.

Why put that in there if you don't want to discuss it?

 

Right wing dogma notwithstanding there are such things as well-run Socialist countries. Socialism is particularly good at rooting out entrenched crime as long as it does not JOIN it, but that is a problem in Capitalist countries as well..

 

Mexico's election will be decided in America because over 15% of Mexicans nationals are living in America today and more than twice as many anchors babies who under international law are recognized as being Mexican citizens ("Son follow the condition of his father") will be voting by the millions in America where every five years hundreds of Mexican polling stations pop up throughout America
vote
These Mexicans will vote how "La Opinion," "Telemundo" and Jerry Brown and the DNC tells them how to vote ....vote leftist.
And don't forget to vote in Americas elections.


This whole dual citizenship bull **** needs to come to an end,

You only owe loyalty to one sovereign.

American citizen "Son follows the condition of his father"

If you take the oath of becoming an American citizen you should denounce all loyalty from the country you came from.
But in a PC America holding loyalty to America and the Constriction is politically incorrect.

 

I have not looked into Obrador's policy regarding drugs, but if he were to legalize or at least decriminalize some or all drugs, it would take away the power of the drug cartels and the libertarians of the United States can cheer him on despite his left wing fiscal policies. Taking away the power of the drug cartels could certainly help in reducing illegal immigration.

Don't quote me here though because I don't know his stance on the issue.

 

The drug cartels run Mexico. The Mexican govt can go left or right, it wont matter, because the power isn't in the govt.

 

Yes, I believe that there is a real danger that Andrés Manuel López Obrador, commonly known as AMLO, may win the next Mexican presidential election. The problem with AMLO isn't that he is on the left, it is that he does not have common sense and has autocratic tendencies. However, no matter which of the four main candidates wins, I do not see a bright future for Mexico nor for Mexico's relationship with the United States. The fact that the next president of Mexico will have to deal with Trump will not help matters either.

The Mexican president is elected by a plurality of votes cast in a single round of voting. That means that it is possible for a candidate to be elected president even if a majority of voters oppose him, just as happened in the United States.

 

Thread winner.

 

Viva La Tiera Redistribucion!​

I remember when the PRI was like the only party like, forever.
Then PAN came along and nothing changed when they got power.

Good luck to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrés_Manuel_López_Obrador




Moi
Zapatista

 

Mexico's Presidential elections are always decided in Los Angeles and other barrios across America.

15% of Mexico's population already live in the USA and all Mexican anchor babies that were born on U.S. soil are Mexican citizens who owe their allegiance to Mexico and are encouraged to vote in Mexico's Presidential elections.

Mexican presidential candidate: Vote for me, California!

excerpt:

Also, weren’t we told that the “dreamers” “know no other country but America?” Why would they be voting in Mexico’s elections?

There is something fundamentally wrong when a foreign presidential candidate can come here and urge American residents to vote for him so he can use his diplomatic tools to undermine America’s laws and sovereignty.

Dual voting is an affront to American sovereignty and violates the immigration principles of all sides of this debate

The problem of our stolen sovereignty and immigrants’ lack of assimilation runs much deeper than illegal immigrants or unnaturalized legal immigrants voting in Mexican elections. There are well over 1 million naturalized U.S. citizens voting in Mexican elections, many of whom likely live in California, according to a 2014 report by the Los Angeles Times editorial board. This practice is likely illegal and should be abolished.

Advocates of open borders virtue-signal about the need to open our arms to all those who want to become Americans. Great, so let’s all become Americans. When immigrants complete their naturalization process, they must swear an oath with the emphatic commitment to “absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.” Liberals often remind us about our “traditions on immigration,” but this law and tradition is as old as America’s Founding. The language to abjure and abandon the new citizen’s former sovereign was officially codified into the Naturalization Act of 1795...

full article -> https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-presidential-candidate-vote-california/

 

If they elect a socialist, America will just invade them. You have nothing to worry about.

 

While Mexico may have high crime I think they are far from our gun deaths and woundings, on a daily basis.They certainly don't incarcerate people at the rates we do.When itcomes to crime no one does it on the scale of the good old USA!!

 

Where?

 

Vattel, why would anyone want to take as fact any rantings of a mad men that believed in slavery of man? The children do not follow the father, the father is only needed for conception but if the mother has chosen well, he will remain for support. So any argument using that argument is not valid.

Likewise, the election in Mexico will be decided by Mexican citizens no matter where they reside. Mexico is not the only country that does this. If that person has not disavowed their allegiance for another master, they get to vote. America also does this, ever hear of "absentee ballot"?

But how they vote for Mexico elections isn't really anyone else's business, period.

Turkey takes this absentee thing to a larger degree than Mexico, they set up polling places in many countries where they have large populations and Turkey does not care about allegiance to another country, once a Turk always a Turk.

Voting is a disease but that point aside; unless they are good little naturalized citizens, voting here would be fraud. Influence by your list, not really. These people are multi-generational social program supporters. The government that governs most has always been their choice, socialist to the core and you expect different?

You may swear loyalty to only one at a time or it wouldn't be loyalty but one has no duty to "owe" loyalty to anyone other than himself.

And we wont go into this whole oath thing except to note, except for those countries the masters in government exempt and dual citizenship is allowed.

 

All anchor babies of Mexican parents are Mexican citizens.

My best friend was born in 1950 in England. His father was stationed in England at the time serving in the U.S. Air Force.

Twenty years later he was drafted and sent to Vietnam because he was a U.S. citizen born on foreign soil and because his father was a U.S. citizen, "Law of Nature" (Natural Law) son follows the condition of his father. He was a U.S. citizen not a British subject.

 

What is an anchor baby? Is that a baby that has to carry an anchor or where they born at sea with the mother using an anchor as stirrups?

And you forgot to mention that as Air Force, he was more than likely born in a US hospital on one of the bases, American soil by decree of the government that leased it to a foreign military.

You also have no mention that the decision of citizenship is by British law which follows Vattel: Law of Nations.

By the way by youngest had the right at age of consent to declare British citizenship if they desired, again Vattel and British law.

As to the draft, my at what happens when one keeps registering things, which is to declare joint ownership. And people wonder why they keep getting the shaft!

 

An anchor baby is a illegal alien who was born on U.S. soil.

Because of the misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment, when a illegal alien gives birth to an illegal alien baby on American soil, the baby becomes an anchor from not being deported and getting all kinds of free stuff paid for by American taxpayers.