MGTOW.....!!!!

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Married men live longer than single men and the reason for that is because men tend to ignore health problems until they become serious. I know this is anecdotal but one of my wife's best friends insisted that her husband go and see a doctor when he kept putting it off. The doctor told them that a week later he would have been in the ER with only a 50/50 chance of surviving.

    The benefits of marriage are not only financial. Married men raising children have the rewards of being around their kids and watching them grow up. No amount of money can buy that happiness.

    Learning to compromise in a marriage is a strength when it comes to making a living because interacting with other people in the workplace is essential for success. Being a loner who hates women is not going to get anyone a promotion that could result in the corporation having to deal with a discrimination lawsuit. So being an MGTOW could result in earning less over their lifetimes.

    Society has changed and while there are a great many things that still need to be fixed going backwards is not the way to remedy those ills. Finding new solutions is how progress is made. Being allergic to progress could be life threatening for those who want to live in the past.
     
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    I wonder why it's "MGTOW" and not "man-lash" (akin to white-lash)? :D
     
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    My point was simple and Renee agrees the pool of acceptable men for marriage is getting smaller for women, if they don't change, and men are starting to opt out. Japan is the canary in the coal mine with about 40% of young people marrying and commercial sex outlets now widespread for bother genders marriage and children are there not desired. Women want careers and men are happy with their hobbies and interests and friends. And they don't have enough reproduction to even maintain a fixed population its dropping fast. This is the same in many Western nations and immigration is one fix but then don't you start losing the national identity to some degree? I'm saying maybe feminists went to far to fast your talking removing millennia of evolution and society tossed out in decades

    Anyway I'm not saying MRA will with MGTOW be the only ways but this is all on women they change, trade down for spouses, give men more equality and men get more broad options it might work but I'm a pessimist..
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Beta-lash might be more appropriate. ;)
     
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    What does that make the white-lashers? :D
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Shouldn't that be spelled with "tr" instead of "l"? ;)
     
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    I'm successful, never had a problem meeting women, and was never "threatened" by my wife. She was a professional. She was a "strong woman". In fact that is partly why I was attracted to her in the first place. I don't know about the MGTOW men, but men in general have plenty of reasons to be fed up. Whenever I see a profile where the woman goes out of her way to say how strong she is, I know this translates to being overbearing, abusive, and intolerable.

    Somehow a lot of women have gotten the idea that being a mean and uncaring person is a sign of strength. And at some point, you have to wonder if this isn't just the real person.

    You know, for years I have watched my sisters blow off family like a bad date. They are incredibly uncaring. I wanted to believe that deep down they really do care about people. But they really don't. It took me a very long time to accept that they just aren't nice people. It is a common theme with women their age I've known. When push comes to shove, it is really ALL about them and only them.

    In a word, they think they are "entitled", to everything.
     
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    It is as if feminism has given women the idea that being nice is weak. It has given women permission to be intolerable. And men are expected to put up with this crap.

    If my best male friend said half the crap my ex wife freely spewed out whenever she had a little tantrum, I would have punched him in the face.
     
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    Its Like the white guys saying blacks have everything and white people have nothing
     
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    Thank you, you reinforced what I thought. Of course my saying I am a strong woman, means I am abusive, overbearing and Intolerable. Strong men aren’t defined that way. You said you were successful, so does that mean these adjectives describe you?
    Your description of strong women as uncaring validates my original opinion . Do you think that men believe that a sign of strength is to be uncaring? You seem to be projecting all your negativity on being strong onto women..this is the good old double standard.
    But your family issues are all telling. I have a feeling if I spoke to your sisters they would probably tell me that you are a person who disrespects women and is not a very nice person.
     
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    There seems to be a pattern here.....men who have been hurt by women, I’d love to hear the women’s side. Sounds like your ex was miserable.....with you!
     
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    Why should women change? We should go back to the kitchen? Not aspire to what we want in life?
    Hey don’t worry about procreation,,,.thats hardly a problem.
     
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    Hardly but like men they might need to re-think gender roles and might need to trade down for companionship and the divorce and other laws need revision and lets speak honestly men need to be comfortable in the social sphere when a wrong word or look or touching a woman innocently might cause horrible backlash its a problem. Men are not all rapists or want to disrespect women being rude but on the other hand separating from women might be needed men not doing more than the minimum contact and no more in the workplace for their own safety career wise. And in the rest of the society.

    One thing I never understood if two people are drunk and have sex where does it become rape since both were impaired as all hell and so the ground should be even, all other factors being the same, but nope the man is assumed even if drunk to be able to understand and not have sex with the impaired woman? That is just one example of clear gender bias in favor of women men need to worry about. And why can't women just say NO in clear language and stick to it since men don't always get nuanced speech and if a man pressures her and she says YES how the hell is that wrong they said yes but didn't mean yes but no - that's the kind of BS men have to worry about. When I don't want to do something I say NO and stick to it no matter what and if I change my mind I accept the consequences.
     
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    Not everything of that is completely new ...

    In many periods you find people who reject the society they live in and prefer a recluse kind of lifestyle ... you find it glorified in the "Simplicissimus " (-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicius_Simplicissimus). You could argue if the "Hermits" ( -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermit) could be seen as predecessors. I don't know if it was by intent or not, but even in "Star Wars - a new Hope" it seems to me that Obi Wan could have lead the existence of a recluse before he sees a new task in educating Luke and free Leia. Dont know if by intent or not, he seems to fit in some stereotypes of the recluse.

    Typical recluse lifestyle means often denial of materialistic values, consumerism and so on, instead looking for wisdom. I dont know if this MGTOW are similar.
     
  15. Renee

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    Why do women have to “trade down”?
    This is what happens when you take an extremist point of you. No me. Are not all rapists but all rapists are men This is like a pendulum. We are going from groping and harassing to fear of saying anything wrong. When in doubt don’t say anything.
    You can relax because usually when a male and a female or both impaired very rarely does a male suffer. It is usually a guy who sees a girl passed out and takes advantage of her. And as I told my students if they are not sure, keep it in their pants
    You are concerned about a man getting what he perceives as a mixed message, and I am focusing on the thousands and thousands of women who are sexually assaulted every single year.
     
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    Because eventually educated women will be more numerous than similar educated men, if trends continue and women so far trade even or up far more often than not so where will they get men to be with? A woman with a Masters degree might never find a man who is good enough for their standards. A man often will settle a bit in return for a good woman with positive traits and they find 'more than good enough'. And women rape to its not reported and might not be something women wish to talk about but its there its not just men, so learn to do some proper research before making blanket claims.

    And your right the best thing for men to do is disengage don't talk to women not in the family, don't touch them, don't deal with them at work except where necessary, don't go to bars and get drunk where women are getting drunk you might end up with an unfair rape charge if you bed her and its a case of your both messed up, don't date them and don't have children with them or risk getting the woman pregnant. Unless your a desirable Alpha or Beta man and have the means to hold your own and have solid pre-nups and other defenses in place.

    And maybe women need to use common sense people are not all nice unless I know a person they are a potential threat especially if men, most by far won't hurt a disabled man but some will, so I need to be on guard and women should do the same. And be clear about what you mean, seriously, mixed messages are an issue if a woman says no and is talked into sex it can be seen as rape by more than a few feminists. Why should men bother anymore that is the MGTOW philosophy if there is one and rather spend your time on yourself.
     
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    Since more women are educated , perhaps it will motivate meant to get educated. (Tongue in cheek) There are also extremely bright men that are not educated
    My husband, Though I admit he is the exception and not the rule, was a high school dropout. But when I met him he was on Wall Street so I assumed he was educated . He came from an impoverished family and thrown in foster care and then joined the Navy at 17 which changed his life He literally went from rags to riches and he credited with being a white male because had he not been a white male he would not have been given the opportunities he was given.
    As far as the strawman scenarios, If a woman says no whether she is giving a mixed message or not the answer is no. If she says no and he proceeds he is a rapist. In my sex ed class I cannot tell you how many times I heard a boy say, “she said no but I know she wanted it” I told them in no uncertain terms if they proceed they are rapists but I also stressed to the girls that they have to make themselves extremely clear!
    It sounds like you don’t know where the line is so you rather spend your time on yourself. That’s your prerogative have fun and tell your hand you’ll respect it in the morning.:afro:
     
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    Finally that isnt so far from MGTOW. Their logic, if you avoid contact to women, you can hardly make a mistake at all.
     
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    Sounds like priesthood
     
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    With regard to refusal of sexuality with women yes, but a priest wanted to maintain the order. MGTOW seems to withdraw due to disagreement.
     
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    Not true we like women moms are awesome people.
     
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    Really? Mommy hang up??
     
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    As you know, rape involves a situation of disproportionate circumstances, the rape occurs from a strong to weak scenario, in a prison rape, a victim is set upon by several cons in an isolated setting, or a man plies a woman with alcohol and gets her to comply with a fair amount of force, victimology is predicated on choice.

    A victim finds themselves in a spot where there is little to no choice other than to comply with the demands of the rapist having little choice and no way to resist.

    If a much stronger male has you by the wrists and it feels like he is going to snap them like carrots, and it hurts like hell, what can you do but comply ?

    Rape is an act of violence and is about power and control baloney, it is not sex, it is about domination and men often enter into marriages with the same type of philosophy about their mate intact.
     
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    Seriously, we are sons and brothers you think we hate women I don't most MGTOWs don't however we are moving away from the commons with women. And for some reason since its a growing movement feminists feel threatened and I and many men in the movement want to know - why?

    Renee you seem to be a feminist and an educator so you know the feminist philosophy perhaps you can answer that.
     

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