Precisely! If you have children and get divorced you are selfish. Many times the relationship is out of control and beyond saviour, but often - I think - it can be solved by talking to each other. My parents divorced when I was 10 and I can honestly not recall them ever talking to each other like adults. Not even today. +1
The problem is women don't wait until there are grown. I'm generally speaking whereas men prefer to wait until the kids are old enough. Also if a wants to divorce and the children are grown there's lower chance he will be accused of child abuse, child sex abuse. Some women do this to get full custody of the kids so that they can get child support money. The only thing a man has to worry is alimony. To claim that most women are good mothers and take care of the kids not even true it's in fact the other way around. Not blaming women that is how it is. I would never been interested in that. I have seen some sugar babies sleeping with multiple rich men at the same time.
For what it's worth, my wife calls Total Eclipse of the Heart a perfect love song. The first time I played it for her, she had a very unexpected reaction: she teared up, then basically tackled me, and hugged tightly enough to leave bruises.
that's still going on to this day. Black women on youtube in their own videos have stated this. None of these women want to grow with a man she wants high earning man who is tall, dark and handsome, etc.
It takes two to end it as well. No one ends their marriage "just because", that is just silly nonsense mde up by lonely, grass-eating MGTOW:s.
So after watching about a third of that rant it became apparent as to what really motivates angry MGTOW's. Selfishness! They consider their money and possessions to be more important to themselves than having a positive loving relationship with a member of the opposite sex. And what goes along with selfishness? Immaturity! Immaturity manifests itself in angry MGTOW's blaming everyone else for their own failings and shortcomings. As one of those who is being "blamed" by the angry MGTOW's I am going to respond but first a caveat. This is directed ONLY at the angry MGTOW's. There are those men who honestly tried and still failed to make a relationship work because of reasons that were outside of their control. Substance abuse, mental issues, serial infidelity, etc, etc can do happen. Not everyone is completely honest and upfront going in so if you discover that the other person is not willing to put in their share of the hard work then sobeit. That happens and it was a mistake, learn from it and move on. My response is directed at the angry MGTOW's who can't do any of those things. Let me begin by pointing out that angry MGTOW's need to grow up and grow a pair! Secondly angry MGTOW's need to learn that anything worth having is worth working for. That includes a successful relationship with the opposite sex. And make no bones about it, it is HARD WORK at times. Seriously hard work, at times even the hardest work you will ever do in your entire life. This is why angry MGTOW's need to grow a pair and stop whining. The REWARDS of having a successful relationship with the opposite sex cannot be measured in terms of money. Having someone who always has your back cannot be purchased for any amount of money. Having a team mate to tackle the problems that life throws at all of us makes it easier to deal with them. Having a partner who cares about you and who will pick up and run with the ball when you can't is priceless. Then there is the matter of TRUST. All sound relationships are built upon trust and while it takes time to establish that trust it can be wiped out by a single indiscretion. Just because you have a pair doesn't mean that you still get to screw around without consequences. Temptations can and will happen but if you let your randy urges override your common sense you are going to shatter the core of that relationship which is based upon TRUST. And yes, before you whine about her being unfaithful, it works both ways. There is a reason why married people are happier. There is a reason why men who are in successful relationships live longer than their single angry MGTOW counterparts. You can't put a price on living a longer and happier life! What are my qualifications for providing this response to the angry MGTOW's? A successful monogamous relationship of more than 4 decades. I am not a "white knight". I am just an ordinary guy who figured this out as he went along. I give credit where it is due to my spouse because she put in her share of the hard work to make it happen. Making it this far is an achievement that I could not have accomplished without her help and support. I am not stopping any angry MGTOW from finding their own "safe space" but let's make this abundantly clear, it is the angry MGTOW's who are the individuals responsible for failing to meet the obligations of being the man in a relationship. They are the quitters and the losers. Angry MGTOW's don't get to blame other people for their own failures to put in the hard work to make their relationships successful. It is NOT the fault of feminists or white knights or anyone else! Angry MGTOW's need to man up and own their own shortcomings.
Nothing immature not wanting to the play the rigged game. Actually MGTOW doesn't focus on money and posession, of course we need money and things but it's not the highest value. Women are initiating 70% of all divorces. If women are so seriously about marriage they wouldn't be divorcing in such large numbers. Did you know in China 70% of the women who has boyfriends will dump them because they do not own a home or a condo. It's all about greed and material good whereas MGTOW doesn't really care about that much. MGTOW doesn't blame women, it's obviously women are serious about marriage so you can't expect men to be either. Men aren't allowed to be men in the first place. Relationships only works when both people do their roles, not working against each other which a lot of women do. Half the married women has a back up man, how can you trust someone like that? I don't need a safe space I'm tired of the same old argument everyone gives against MGTOW which has been debunked numerous times. What you're saying is NOTHING new. Women's vagina is over used, it's like dumper diving for rotten food. Thanks but no thanks.
Thank you for proving my point that angry MGTOW's blame everyone but themselves for their own failures and shortcomings.
What do you mean, men "aren't allowed to be men" why do we need gender roles? Why not human roles? What do you mean "half the women have back up men"?
Do you live in a cave? Women want men to do half the household chores. Women want equal rights in pretty everything including the house hold. Also people who use personal attacks aren't winning a debate because they have none.
I agree in the next war 53% of all front line combat positions getting mauled must be women, including the chance of being drafted, and placed into combat positions based on military need being equal based on gender percentages. You should agree to that if you want equality with men.
Where is the personal attack? I asked legitimate questions so instead of answering them, YOU attack me, try answering the questions
I think there should be a national draft and everyone should serve. You seem to think that equality means the same...it doesn't
Men would and should see that as Constitutionally unjust and in violation of Federal law which supports ignoring gender under the law this must be enforced. The military should focus on then technology to allow such equality on the battlefield asap over other considerations. Men and women must be EQUALLY expendable not just men the expendable ones which was the case for untold millennia. I would point out your gender wanted this before you could vote and hold jobs and participate the women had few obligations if they didn't marry they could work and be on their own. If they married then they were the husbands property to some degree but in return had one risky duty bearing children and other than provide sexual pleasure had to tend the care of the home and spouse and that was it. The men sacrificed and risked everything and of course ran society with notable exceptions the women largely protected and provided for. With more rights and freedom comes the dangers and risks that men have done what part of that is hard to grasp equal must mean the same or it means nothing but a double standard.
Equal doesn't mean the same .....ten pennies =ten cents, 2 nickels = ten cents. ...meaning men and women are different and are capable of doing different things of equal value.
So you don't believe in true equality, men are cannon fodder and mules and women can get their benefit in those roles and choose to avoid that expendability men endured for millennia. Equal my arse.
And women are breeders to provide more soldiers. I guess true equality is when can have babies and raise children. And women do serve in the military...and many men don't, like trump
I'm all for all sciences to grow babies outside a woman's body safely and cloning to eliminate the gender roles from reproduction and to allow rapid repopulation of the society, in fact this could allow two women to have a daughter without men. And giving birth is far less dangerous than it once was so arguably the women are at far less risk to premature death than men now than say in even the early 20th century back. But your right children need to be made apart from gender fully to start and then the genders can be equally expendable.
Yes, we have to repopulate , not enough people on the planet. But I don't recall saying children need "to be made apart from gender",, you're saying that
Because Renee once women and the wombs they have the only thing biological they have vital to the species are no longer needed as much then and only then can we push for gender equality fully, until then there is an implied Women's Privilege men in civilized nations defer to more than not. Don't believe me in the case of the Titanic lets pick an obvious case WOMEN and CHILDREN got on the boats even if the WOMEN had no children and men save for sailors on these boats were expected to die. Because of Women's Privilege. If common sense and logic was in play FATHERS with CHILDREN would have been on them since MEN earned more money and were of more value to the children or NO ADULTS and save the sailors to operate the boats and only children packed in. Class of society also died that day since almost all the poor died below decks as well and with it Edwardian society sank. But the gender issue is a big why the hell the women go before proper financially fit younger men and their children or just the children which could have been packed in the boats in greater numbers due to lighter weight. I'm just pointing out with the women now moving into society and laws favoring them in the workplace, which is fine then men will lose their manhood which was historically identified with what work they did, being a family man and a that was a man with a wife and his children. Now women always socialized differently that' great often being close due to gender men consider other men often as competition with exceptions I never considered competing due to being disabled so figured I'd be a bachelor for life, MGTOW is largely the fault of women. A black MRA made a good point they were emasculated since slavery and now are the bird in the coal mind with white men now losing what they had with exceptions. Seriously why does it scare women so much when men talk honestly about men's issues from suicide to child custody and divorce to work like its some plot a lot of us are trying to figure out the new rules that's all and fight for fairness. So can you explain how men should be men now, in a way women like, it seems to me we should be pack mules and wallets, nothing else at least talking to academic feminists.
