Mick Mulvaney publicly confirms Trump held up Ukraine aid for political gain

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mick Mulvaney, President Donald Trump's acting chief of staff, publicly confirmed that part of the reason Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine was that he wanted the Ukrainian government to investigate a conspiracy theory related to the 2016 election.

    Mulvaney acknowledged the quid pro quo during a press conference Thursday, in which he explained the factors that contributed to Trump's decision to withhold aid.

    "Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that's it. That's why we held up the money."
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mic...mp-held-ukraine-aid-for-investigation-2019-10

    There's a Latin phrase for this, but it escapes me at the moment...

    So let's recap all the QPQ connections... sounds like a bad fantasy trading scenario...

    1. Military Aid
    2. Meeting at WH

    For

    3. DNC Server (conspiracy theory)
    4. Joe and Hunter Biden (debunked)

    Sure, If I'm Ukraine, I'm easily doing both of those bogus "investigations" to get their aid and a WH meeting. Not only is it impeachable behavior, it's also terrible deal making..

    Time to move, Adam!

    Thoughts?
     
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    So clearly this wasn’t a legitimate law enforcement probe since they fbi already saw the server data. So wtf is he up to?
     
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    Conveniently ignored by the OP:

    When questioned on Mulvaney saying that the White House held up security money from Ukraine until the president got assurances, Mulvaney told reporters to “get over it” saying there are going to be political impacts on foreign policy.

    "The corruption of the country, whether or not other countries participating in support of Ukraine, and whether or not cooperating in an ongoing investigation with the department of justice. That is completely legitimate, yes"
    A reporter then questioned Mulvaney on his explanation saying it sounds like a quid-pro-quo to which Mulvaney said: “We do that all the time with foreign policy.”
     
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    As expected, they now admit the QPQ but say it’s fine lol
    OJ should try that! Confess but just say it’s cool.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not ignored... can't overpull from URLs, as you well know.... Congrats for clicking on the link.. that puts you in the top 10% of RW posters...

    "doing it all the time" doesn't make it legal, ethical, or American... Since Mulvaney's "we" is only this **** administration.

    So Mick is saying there are other unethical QPQ's out there?? Do tell....
     
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    Nothing in your post makes Mulvaney's admission that a QPQ took place any less damning.
     
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    Yep, you were out in front of that patently obvious strategy...

    I'm truly confused as to what Schiff is doing at this point? Not only has Trump shot somebody on 5th avenue, he's walked to the closest police precinct with the gun in his hand and banging on the door to be let in...
     
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    Everything is QPQ, an Amazon transaction requiring a valid credit card or else no goods in your mailbox is QPQ, absolutely any condition in any political or business negotiation or deal is QPQ. Jeez

    Keep your eyes on the ball buddy, it's only wrong if someone pursues personal interests. Ukraine's corruption, the EU's non-involvment, Ukraine's participation in DOJ investigation of Ukraine's meddling in our election don't even come close. Duh

    Lol, poor libs, getting aroused again over another nothingburger.
     
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    I think Schiff knows this is bigger than what we’re talking about. Perry pushing an LNG plant, that was bogus and being pushed by Igor and Lev....Manaforts involvement, Dimitri Firtash....Rudy and his potential counterintelligence problems....
     
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    Good... you finally got there....
     
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    It's legal.
     
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    Absolutely, let's have an impeachment. What could be more fun.
     
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    Yeah, but who cares?? Sure it's bigger than we know now, but tracking it all down is work for AFTER Trump is impeached. If Adam thinks cornering the entire story will get Republican votes for removal, he's fooling himself...

    An Impeachment vote doesn't have to stop anything Schiff is doing, but Trump is a blind man firing off an automatic weapon in a mall... You stop him, then figure out where he got the gun....
     
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    So why did you deny there was a QPQ if it’s fine? Why did trump?
     
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    Hiding in plain sight is Mulvaneys assertion that politics is always a part of foreign policy.... therefore this is normal

    I have heard that when murderers are interviewed in prison, they commonly propose that they had no other option
     
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    Too bad you haven't. Lol. Like I said, eyes on the ball.... corrupt intent, personal gain, profit... when you find any of it do let us know immediately.

    Demands of cooperation with an ongoing US DOJ investigation as a precondition for getting US aid money? Bwahahahaha good luck chewing on this nothingburger lol
     
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    The longer it takes the more they seem to confess to lol
    Give it a month and they’ll admit a dozen more crimes lol
     
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    Not sure... reading a Trump-written letter to Turkey's president was pretty fun this AM...

    As is equally laughing and cringing at lowlights of another Sieg Heil rally tonite in Texas..... Yee Haw....

    But impeachment will be fun... Nobody really wanted Willie impeached, but this will draw huge ratings, which is Trump's only goal anyway...
     
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    Question: Obama demanding that Iran accept a deal before releasing Iranian money. QPQ or not?

    I expect a yes or no answer.
     
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    Really?? There is an ongoing US DOJ investigation into Joe and/or Hunter Biden?? Who is leading this effort??

    Or, to go to the idiot well some of you do, where's the crime??
     
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    Like campaign assistance against Trump's domestic political opponents.
     
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    It is an abuse of power to request campaign assistance from a foreign government in the form of an investigation against a domestic political opponent while simultaneously and unilaterally holding up hundreds of millions in military aid and a requested meeting. It is also an obstruction of justice to try and hide, lie about, and actively obstruct the investigation.
     
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    I see. So it seems that


    A Narcissist's Prayer

    That didn't happen.

    And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

    And if it was, that's not a big deal. <----------------- We are here!

    And if it is, that's not my fault.

    And if it was, I didn't mean it.

    And if I did...

    You deserved it.
     
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    True, but in that same time, they'll commit 2 dozen more crimes... They always stay ahead of the law that way....

    Pull the chute with what you have now, says I...
     
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    Campaign assistance in the form of an investigation against Trump's domestic political opponents.

    Found it and told you about it weeks ago.
     
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