Mick Mulvaney publicly confirms Trump held up Ukraine aid for political gain

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  1. squidward

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    Which presidential campaign was interfered with?
     
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    There are reports of Ukrainian officials saying they felt pressure from the US too. I'm saying it would be one logical explanation to think Zelensky could be lying because he didn't want to damage his relationship with the US. Just as it would be logical to think Biden could be lying because he wanted to protect himself and his family. We don't know for sure in either case. And yet you seem sure in both.
     
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    Here are the undisputed facts:
    trump explicitly asked Zelensky to look into Biden while simultaneously holding up aid
    Mulvaney literally admitted that funds were held up do to preconditions not being met
    Congress never attached any preconditions to the Ukrainian aid

    Those are the facts and IMO they are damning.
    You're fired Mr trump, you arrogant simpleton. May we never elect such an unfit POS to office again.
     
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    Yes they did, Biden was an agent for the US.

    Well good luck proving new theory...that your alleged victim is lying when he says he isn’t a victim
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Banned Donor

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    No one had a gun and no robbery was taking place. Do you have a better analogy more suited to the circumstances? Less Adam Schiff and more reality might move everyone closer to the truth.

    You just keep piling on to your first false statement of 'campaign assistance'. Why?
     
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    I meant Ukrainian officials said that they felt pressured by the Trump administration. But something tells me you won't give any credence to that. That you refuse to engage with the uncertainties of the situation tells me there's no point in discussing further.
     
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    What Karl claims is irrelevant.
     
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    Sure.

    "The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into...it sounds horrible to me" is a rather blatant example of Trump requesting campaign assistance even thought he did not say tghe words "campaign assistance" and merely requested that a foreign government investigate against his domestic political rival.
     
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    Shouldn't exact words be used whenever were judging someone for potentially serious crimes? Would you want some left wing doodoos interpreting your words toward their own political end?
     
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    What Karl claimed is completely relevant when the next several words out of Mulvaney's mouth is, "We do that all the time."
     
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    No, we should not. Flip it around.

    Would you want individuals to be found innocent of potentially serious crimes merely because they did not use an explicit phrase? Wouldn't that just permit a whole host of criminals to escape punishment once they learn that they can not be found guilty of a serious crime unless they say the magic words?
     
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    Biden was not even a candidate for the presidency and still isn't. If you're looking for opposition to his candidacy look to members of his own party running against him, not Donald Trump..

    If there was ever any 'campaign assistance' it would be Warren, Booker, Sanders et al who would be the beneficiaries - not Donald Trump..
     
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    If you want to argue that Joe Biden is not Trump's domestic political opponent, then you can carry that **** talking point on your own back.
     
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    I'm sure he will get that subpoena when the trail starts in the Senate. I think he already has one from the House.
    But as more witnesses come forward it becomes less important. The tape will do.
     
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    They had show trials, and Beria said 'Show me the man and I'll find you the crime'. Exactly what LW scumbags who never accepted the election results are futilely trying to do to Trump. They're in for a rough six years.
     
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    No, I would not have anyone charged with a crime unless here was explicit and direct evidence. That lack was disregarded in the runup to the Mueller Investigation in the hope that some evidence of some crime would eventually emerge. That never happened and it cost time, money and serious rifts.

    Enough of this juvenile nonsense. It's harming the political process and creating deep divisions within the country.
     
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    Apparently the English language is fake news. OK, have fun.
     
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    Right. Let's get Zelensky to investigate and, while he's at it, perhaps the Russian hoax also. Investigate everyone without fear or favor. Everyone should agree on that.
     
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    That's what happens when you elect a juvenile, arrogant idiot. Mulvaney was absolutely right that, "elections have consequences".
    Protip: next time you have the choice, don't vote for an arrogant simpleton without the ability to speak at a high school level, and with a penchant to the same communication medium as 12 year old girls. It will never end well for the country.
     
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    Apparently you didn't understand the conversation taking place but the two leaders did. And neither said there was a Quid Pro Quo. Maybe it's time to move on to other issues, such as trade agreements and border security rather than imaginary conversations.
     
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    Too bad leftists won't read this.
     
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    And yet Mulvaney said there was a quid pro quo.
     
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    Well I'm obviously not a leftist because I not only read it, I posted the whole second block earlier
     
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    Just curious, in your opinion is it possible that there was QPQ even though both sides deny it? Is possible that they could be lying? Is there incentive to?
     
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    His opinion is irrelevant. From Mulvaney's mouth and everyone else involved, not quid pro quo.
     
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