Migrants clash with Greek police at border after Turkey opens floodgates

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...as-turkey-opens-floodgates-idUSKBN20O1EF?il=0

I’ve heard there are 10,000 people storming the border.
I guess Turks are tired of EUs inaction and want some results.
How long will it take before Turkey is in EU?

 

It is because of the situation in Syria. I heard about it the other day and cannot quite remember the nuts and bolts...but basically it is an attempt to in some way get the EU to support Turkey against Russia and in that was the threat that if the EU did not move it would open the flood gate on Refugees. That is the EU were given a warning that if they did not do what Turkey wanted on a political level they were going to open the flood gates. Given that Europe appears to have also opened the flood gates to Coronavirus possibly through not shutting the doors to Italy it does not look like a good situation. Trying to get Greece to deal with it all also shows stupidity. If Turkey is forcing the refugees out of Turkey then things are even worse.

 

It won't happen. First because there is some states that have a veto right and will never accept Turkey. Furthermore, the EU has enough problems for now before integrating a member, especially a 80 million muslim country with borders with Iraq, Iran and Syria.

 

This thing has nothing to do with Turkey wanting to join the EU as Erdogan's politics in the last ~ three years has moved the country far, far away from the democratic standards that they would need in order to become a member in the long run. The topic 'Turkey into EU' is no topic and under Erdogan it won't become one.

This is about Turkey's involvement in Syria and the fact that Erdogan's megalomania creates hundreds of thousands of new refugees. He invaded Northern Syria claiming to be fighting terrorists. Last week thirty three Turkish troops were killed by Assad's army and all of a sudden Erdogan calls for NATO to support him, plus he's been demanding more money from Brussels to take care of the roughly 3,5 mill refugees that live in Turkey.
The deal between Turkey and the EU is that Brussels supports Turkey with six billion Euros in the form of financial support for the International Red Cross, Doctors without Borders, and other organisations in Turkey, and that's what Brussels has been and is doing. However, Erdogan has always wanted the money to be transferred to Ankara directly so that he himself could decide how much is given to whom (we don't have to be Einstein to see what his intentions here are).
He publicly claims that Brussels has broken the agreement and that Turkey can no longer take care of newly arrived refugees and will have to let them travel to the Greek border. In reality, Turkey has organised means of transport and is actively transporting refugees to the Greek border as we speak. Turkish police have been removed from said borders, so people can more easily cross into Greece. Greek authorities, however, have quickly deployed massive police and army forces to protect this border and Frontex has already sent considerable support.

Erdogan is simply trying to blackmail Europe and uses refugees to put up political pressure where he needs and wants it. He doesn't get the money himself, so he claims Brussels broke the deal. He invades Northern Syria as an aggressor and claims he's defending Turkey. His military actions create new masses of refugees, so he calls for Europe's help, which he already has but not in the form he wants. Turkish troops are killed, so he calls NATO for help to support his illegal invasion. The man is utterly despicable.

 

Turkey being Turkey, never complied with the rules of the EU, but rather it wanted the EU to comply with Turkey - since they have a totally different 'civilizational' base. Anyway the only reason they wanted to enter the EU was so its population of 80 million, most of whom live in poverty, would be able to enter - as well as the rest of the hordes from Central Asia. The intent was and is to do what his Ottoman predecessors weren't able to do and that is to Islamize Europe.

 

The Greek police did catch 68 illegals who had crossed over, and they said that there were a few Syrians, but most were migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh and that no one was from Idllib. It really is an Islamic invasion of Greece by Turkey since they know that all the borders into Europe are closed - and it's been going on for a very, very long time. Embedded with the migrants are Turkish agents and terrorists.

Anyway Erdogan is in a great deal of trouble in Ankara, because his policies in Syria and Idlib are not bearing fruit. In Turkey right now, there are 20 million Kurds who are threatening Turkey's sovereignty. Also their economic survival was dependent on the cheap oil they were buying from the terrorists in Syria as well as from Libya. The wells though in Libya, were destroyed by General Haftar.

With these problems and the feelings of victimhood that has always been a part of the Turkish psyche, Erdogan said he must be aggressive or Turkey will cease to exist. In a way he's right, it won't exist in the form he wants it to.

Because of the territorial rights of the Greek islands and Cyprus, Turkey is completely surrounded by Greek and Cypriot waters. Waters that are also rich in the oil and gas Turkey needs for it survival and growth. So Erdogan, with his Turkish sense of victimhood in full swing, disregards or misinterprets the Lausanne Treaty and believes that Greece stole the islands from them.

I don't fear Erdogan because he's alienated Washington, and Putin keeps him on a lease. He's just lashing out because he doesn't know what to do. What I fear are the beliefs of victimhood he's accentuated in the Turkish people, and have now been extended to Russia as well. If Erdogan falls - then what?

 

idk when Turkey goes into the EU but those Greeks better open fire for now.

 

Greece needs to be enriched! Open the gates. Welcome them all!

 

If the migrants really wanted to go to Europe, they would have gone towards the Bulgarian border which is easier to pass through. But they didn't because it's a war between Greece and Turkey. The migrants are being used to weaken Greece from within and make it vulnerable to a Turkish attack.

Right now the Turkish army is using tear gas against the Greek guards and told the migrants to be more aggressive. Maybe so the guards will react and they'll have some deaths for propaganda. Turkish terrorists are also being sent from Idlib with Syrian passports, that way Erdogan can pass them off as refugees and not just migrants from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Yesterday, Erdogan made false accusations towards Greece and said the people are being armed (which they should be), and are shooting refugees, (which they are not), and he directly threatened Greece with war - something Turkey has been planning for a long time.

 

Erdogan doesn't care about refugees... he had no problem invading Northern Syria and misplacing the Kurds in that area only months ago.

 

a bit like them whites who invaded south africa, they didnt care about africans, they even used chemical weapons on africans like assad does to syrians. its not shocking to me, to see ppl defending such wicked regimes, the devil is nothing if his thoughts are not known.

 

You mean chemical weapons like the ones Turkey used - and not only on the Kurds when their towns were cordoned off, but also on the Syrians by the White Helmets to facilitate their false flag attacks. The MIT was caught delivering the gas components, and Erdogan's opposition brought it up in the Turkish parliament. Not that the MSM would ever mention it.

 

Looks like Erdogan finally has his war with Greece, something that has been years in the making. The Turkish army tried to push the migrants through the border, and it's turned into a shooting war between the Greek soldiers and the Turks.

Erdogan is using the refugees as a means to take Thrace, something he's been trying to do for years. With his failures in Libya in trying to preserve its Islamic brotherhood president and grabbing it's oil, and also the agreement with him so he could grab the oil and gas rich Greek waters below Crete - as well as his failures now in Syria, he's on shaky ground.

Erdogan is megalomaniac with a messianic vision of himself. He promised his followers he would achieve that which his Ottoman predecessors failed to do, and conquer Europe and the world for Islam. Taking Syria, Libya and Greece were to be the first steps.

We love to cheat to get our way
for it's a game we like to play
towards infidels like you.

Now don't get mad and be alarmed
for we don't really mean to harm.
It's just that you have got to know,
Islam's the only way to go - Jeannette​

 

And don't forget when the Europeans invaded North America and gave blankets infected with smallpox to the Native Americans.

 

Probably had nothing to do with natives murdering, torturing, and raping the settlers.

 

Thanks to Obama/Biden in large measure for this hot mess.

 

It was always part of warfare. The Black Plague started when the Mongols in Crimea fought the Genovese and threw their infected bodies into their trading camp. The Genovese ships carried it on to Constantinople and into Europe. In Alexandria 7,000 people were dying a day, and in Europe It killed 1/3 of the population.

It kept reappearing every 50 years and many were able to survive it. I read that someone had arrived on the West Coast with the Bubonic plague in the early 1930's, but the authorities spotted the disease before he could pass it on to others.

As for small pox, it's a horrible disease and very disfiguring. My mother said when someone died, people would close their shutters before the procession passed. My grandfather had picked up a virulent form when in India, but he did survive. I never saw him, so I don't know how pocked he was, but I did see a woman once who was, and her face was like a sponge.

Oddly enough, the Greeks in Macedonia knew how to immunize people with small doses of the disease. The process was probably picked up in India by Alexander's army. I know that the royal families in Europe did immunize their family members.

 

I think it had more to do with the Indians siding with the French during the war.

 

Now, can somebody please tell me where the UN is in this crisis on the Greek border? Other than the migrants, there are families with children stuck in the no man's land between the Greek border, and the Turkish army. They have been camping in the cold for a week now and can't return to Istanbul, so isn't there some way to get them back to the countries they originated from?

 

Non of that happened. lol

Turks simply stopped holding on the people who want to immigrate through Turkey to some other place. The end. The Turkish army did not push, the immigrants because they want to move themselves. The Turks were not shooting at the Greek soldiers. They weren't there.

Fake news much?

 

The neocons had their country blown to hell.

 

Oh yeah? Turkey sent 1,000 men to assure Greece does not send the migrants back - or rather, to assure that none of the migrants will turn around and go back. I saw yesterday on twitter a video of a migrant being stomped on by Turkish soldiers.

Greek forces have also arrived and they are getting reinforcement from other parts of Greece and Cyprus. The EU is also thinking of sending forces to help them.

 

This is a practice run... the trickle of a very full and leaking bucket. Between the Arab Spring & South Africa Soros, Obama, Hillary and Kerry are responsible for millions of dead bodies and millions more will flood to Europe. Someone should hand out pamphlets for these migrants to take to Europe.... "with compliments from Soros Obama, Hillary & Kerry"... it's going to be like a bottle of ink flowing over a page. Welcome to South Africa's nightmare.

 

notme - Of course they want to get out of Turkey, they're being treated like dirt there. But Erdogan told them the Turkish border is open - but he didn't tell them that the Greek and EU borders are closed. He also provided the buses, and carried them to the border.

 

Yeah. You just ranted fake news.

They aint Turkish. So they don't need to accept them across the border ones they are in Greece. Duh.