Mike Flynn Moving To Withdraw Guilty Plea. Here's Why.

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Looks like Mueller is going to be found out as a corrupt prosecutor and everything he has done since bullying Flynn into a guilty plea is now suspect. Apparently Mueller never told Flynn that FBI agents that interviewed him did not think he lied. The wheels are coming off this attempt by the deep state to impeach a president.

    "A motion by Michael Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct is likely in the works," declared The Federalist's Margot Cleveland on Friday.

    Judge Emmet G. Sullivan issued a so-called "Brady" order on Friday in United States v. Flynn that Cleveland, a lawyer, says "likely" stands as an indication that the former Trump national security advisor is looking to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct."
    "On the surface, Friday’s order seems inconsequential, but in comparing the December 12, 2017, version to the February 16, 2018, version, one substantive change stood out," explained Cleveland.

    Here's what she noticed: "The revised version added one sentence specifying that the government’s obligation to produce evidence material either to the defendant’s guilt or punishment 'includes producing, during plea negotiations, any exculpatory evidence in the government’s possession.'"

    This add-on is significant, she argues, because it "indicates that, if the government did not provide Flynn material evidence during plea negotiations, Flynn has grounds to withdraw his plea."

    Cleveland acknowledges that it's unclear if Sullivan "modified the standing order in response to special concerns in the Flynn case," but noted that "it differs from the model text he included in his 2016 article, as well as the standing order he used most recently in a criminal case from August 2017."

    Moreover, in the revised order, the judge added "a lengthy footnote" "detailing the case law and setting forth his position that, if material exculpatory evidence is withheld during plea negotiations, a defendant is entitled to withdraw his guilty plea."

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/2731...withdraw-his-guilty-plea-amanda-prestigiacomo
     
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    22catch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What the hell!! I know the Florida shooting is all anyone can think about but we need details.. We need to know that sentence that was changed? And what exculpatory evidence? How or why would Flynns attorneys not ask? Is this judge stating that Mueller and the FBI intentionally withheld evidence?? To get a plea?

    I have long believed and posted that Flynn didn't lie about anything. He was just being a good soldier and made it go away.

    Now a federal judge says this?

    Sweet mother Mary and all the apostles. Wtf is going on.
     
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    What's happening is that the wheels are wobbling and threatening to fall off the leftist/RINO bandwagon that's been used for the past year to try and unseat Trump with Trumped up accusations of collusion with the Russians. It's not going to be difficult to show how ethically corrupt Meuller is. He is KNOWN for being ethically corrupt by breaking the law in order to gain false convictions.
     
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    They entire Flynn - FBI interview matter was a classic perjury trap. The FBI knew exactly what Flynn had said because they had the tapes of all his conversations. Why were they interviewing him about it then ?? Flynn did not or could not recall exactly what was said. Comey even testified that Flynn did not wittingly attempt to deceive initially but then pled guilty after having to sell his house to pay legal fees. The same thing happened to Scooter Libby and Martha Stewart. They did not break any laws but were convicted of perjury. Government acting as a banana republic is what is going on here.
     
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    I just don't get shocked any more but I am floored. How can a former establishments appointees have such power? Rosenstein appointed Mueller. The power to railroad good people flat out in the open. To break laws they themselves are sworn to protect?

    So now CNN will if they mention it at all will create their own story.. Imply that this federal judge is compromised by Trump then comment on the timeliness of this judges ruling amidst all of Mueller's indictments.

    Or they will say Russians are holding the judges family hostage.

    I need a drink.
     
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    Judge Sullivan's order that Mueller provide Flynn with exculpatory evidence is unusual for three reasons; 1) it was issued sua sponte (on the Judge's initiative, unprompted by Flynn's defense), 2) it was issued after Flynn had pleaded guilty, and 3) it was reiterated (the first time it was issued in December and 7 weeks later issued again).
    Maybe Judge Sullivan is concerned Mueller's motion for this protective order on the use of newly discovered "sensitive materials" could preclude Flynn from seeing exculpatory evidence? Probaly not, since this was a second order replicating the one he issued before Mueller sought that "protective" order. Seems the judge thinks Flynn was bullied, he submitted to the FBI's interview unaided by counsel (didn't even know he was under criminal investigation). Reeks of entrapment as the FBI had transcripts of his conversations, they knew what he said and the answers he got, it would not be unusual for Flynn not to recall verbatim whatever was said. Strzok (who did the interviewing) and Mueller himself testified to Congress they believed Flynn answered honestly. He could have been tripped up by some detail that didn't match the transcripts.
     
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    That be great if he does. The show must go on.
     
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    If prosecutorial misconduct is found, does that throw out any evidence gained from Flynn?
     
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    So far he hasn't moved to withdraw anything, right? This is all speculation?
     
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    What evidence ?? All they managed to do was set a perjury trap which he fell into most likely because he did not recall the details of the conversation that the FBI had on tape. Is that really what we want the FBI to spend it's time and resources on - setting perjury traps for people like Flynn, Stewart, and Libby ??
     
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    Right, but the wheels seem to be turning. People forget prosecutors aren't "god" and in fact, are sometimes even more deceptive than a criminal. All prosecutors care about is a guilty verdict. They don't care how they got there.
     
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    Of course, it is "speculation".

    As of now, the whole story is just some MORONIC BS (unworthy of being taken seriously) that is circulating among the RW Fever Swamp Tinfoil Hats.

    I seriously doubt that this story has any real credibility (outside of the conspiratorial minds of the Fox/Breitbart/Infowars Bigfoot worshippers).

    That said, I will believe it when I see it.

    Until then, the story in the OP is just more unfounded RW BS.

    Next. :bored:
     
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    We have absolutely no clue what Flynn told them. Maybe evidence was the wrong word though, how about information?
     
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    The FBI knew exactly what Flynn said - they had the tape.
     
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    What about a Federal Judge reissuing this order on Friday for the 2nd time is RW BS?

    I mean it's not a story at all. It's a fact. That happened.

    Maybe the judge was just bored.

    This isn't one of your lefty buddies threads where they declare Trump is the antichrist because there was a hail storm in Florida.
     
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    aLLS YOU care about, is getting your CRIMINAL off and make him REAL DICTATOR. You are UNAM@@@CAN.
     
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    Not only that but it destroyes Mueller's credibility.
     
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    The story of what the new judge did is fact. It's speculation of what that fact means but the informed legal speculation is extremely interesting to say the least. We should know soon but it really does appear something big is about to go off the rails here.

    More on this today.


    "Fueling more speculation are other unusual moves behind the scenes: days after Flynn’s plea, U.S. District Judge Rudolph Contreras recused himself and was replaced by Judge Emmet Sullivan. Sullivan has a reputation for punishing Department of Justice overreach, including during the case against the late Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens.

    Sullivan then raised eyebrows when he ordered prosecutors to give Flynn’s lawyers “any evidence in its possession that is favorable” to Flynn.

    Mueller’s team has since postponed Flynn’s sentencing. And last Wednesday, Mueller's team filed a protective order "governing the production of discovery," which indicates they won’t fight the order to hand over documents.

    The developments have piqued the interest of former federal prosecutors, who argue there could be bombshells in the material.

    “Typically, exculpatory information is not required to be turned over when a plea has been done, but I think this judge is particularly sensitive to those issues, given some of his history and cases he’s had,” John Lauro, a former federal prosecutor in New York and defense attorney who specializes in white-collar criminal defense, told Fox News."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ty-plea-as-judges-actions-raise-eyebrows.html
     
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    Wait a minute! Has Sessions been playing possum? When he took over as AG there were only three investigations into leaked information and one is the Flynn call he is stating.

    Now he is stating there are TWENTY SEVEN investigations. Apparently many being supervised by himself personally.

    That's a big number. Big enough I think it's possible that old wily codger has been staying pretty quiet on everything but his marajuana crusade intentionally to stay out of the view of the evil eye of Sauron that is our media...

    Walk quietly and carry a big stick may be given a whole new meaning if he drops multiple bombs at once. Leftists will never see it coming.

    Wowsa.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...flynn_is_being_investigated_aggressively.html
     
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    How much do you want to bet Andrew Weissmann is involved in this situation?
     
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    Speculation is the reason for it's existence, so it seems appropriate.
     
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    No, speculation isn't the reason for the guilty plea. Pleading guilty is the reason for the guilty plea. It isn't speculation that he pleaded guilty. He did. It is pure speculation that he is withdrawing the plea.
     
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    So all this is from an online 'news' source.

    Here is the title of an article they have on their site right now. See if you can guess which way this site leans - or if it just calls it right down the middle:

    'Gun Control Across The World Only Leads To Acid, Knifings, And Bombings'

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/21/gun-control-across-world-leads-acid-knifings-bombings/

    Yeah...REAL unbiased source you posted there.

    :roll:
     
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    No, speculation is the reason Mueller was appointed in the first place.
     
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    Do the most violent countries in the world have laws against firearm ownership?

    Why yes. Yes they do.
     

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