Mike Pence Says U.S. Intel Found That Russia Didn’t Elect Trump. He Is Lying.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...u-s-intel-found-russia-didnt-elect-trump.html

This has become a common lie by VP Mike Pense, the White House, and of course President Trump that the US intelligence community had determined that the Russian illegal intervention in the 2016 Presidential Election didn't alter the outcome. It's a lie now and has always been a lie. The US intelligence community has never stated that the Russians didn't effect the outcome of the election. From the original release of information about the Russian interventionism:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Trump appointed CIA Director Mike Pompeo also lied in October 2017 when he stated "The intelligence community's assessment is that the Russian meddling that took place did not affect the outcome of the election." The CIA had to quickly respond in backpedaling on Pompeo's statement by noting that there had been no change in the fact that our intelligence community had never made or even attempted to make that determination.

We continue to also see false arguments trying to support the lie. For example Trump just cited Facebook ads vice-president Rob Goldman in one of his tweets. Goldman stated,

To this Trump tweeted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ok-ad-exec-to-discredit-russias-meddling.html

The problem is obvious. Goldman is just addressing the paid ads and not the overall Russian influence campaign to elect Donald Trump. He's ignoring the political rallies organized and paid for by the Russians that Mueller cites in his indictment. Goldman ignores the Russian intelligence service release of "dirt on Hillary" in the hacked emails that WikiLeaks published and that Trump referred to over 100 times as a candidate. It ignores the fact that Russia was spending a million dollars a month to elect Trump that covered more than the few ads it ran on Facebook. It ignores the Russian trolls and bots that reached over 130 million American voters with our free social media.

Trump has even resorted to citing President Obama that stated our elections could not be rigged (in response to Trump's campaign statements that the election was going to be rigged against him). We're not addressing a "rigged election" where votes are changed or ballot boxes stuffed or where illegal voting takes place. We're addressing a highly sophisticated influence campaign by the Russians that influenced people to vote for Trump, not vote for Hillary Clinton and that also effected the voter turnout. All of these factors effect the election result without any part of the election being rigged where votes are changed or illegally cast.

Common sense alone tells us that influence campaigns effect the election results. It's why political organizations spend tens and hundreds of millions of dollars to influence voters. If influence campaigns didn't work then we would see the political parties spending so much to win an election. They sure as hell wouldn't spend the money to influence voters if the voters couldn't be influenced by the spending.

We also need to remember that the influence didn't need to involved that many voters for it to hand the election to Donald Trump. Only about 75,000 voters in three key battleground states out of over 137 million votes cast resulted in Donald Trump winning the Electoral College vote. That's less than 1/100th of one percent of the national vote. Even by addressing just what was required in those three battleground states a change of 1/4th of one-percent of the vote would have resulted in Hillary Clinton being elected.

Donald Trump was elected by the votes of American citizens and that's a legitimate election result. That doesn't change the fact that it was the illegal Russian influence campaign in the 2016 presidential election that resulted in him receiving enough votes to become the President.

 

Another great lying Christian, making America great!....lol

Oh mike you have "it" all over you!

 

I guess that I don't see how Fake News spin and any supposed "common sense" prove a lie.

 

The US intelligence community has never stated that the Russians didn't effect the outcome of the election.

 

Pence is big time liar and Congressman Elijah Cummngs pointed it out months ago...

 

This elijah cummings?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-to-prison-for-targeting-voter-rights-group/

http://shoebat.com/2014/02/07/rep-elijah-cummings-despicable-human/

http://usbacklash.org/piece-of-crap...eople-from-out-of-town-could-have-been-worse/

https://pjmedia.com/blog/rep-elijah-cummings-bald-faced-liar

 

I think Hilliary Clinton largely elected Trump.

 

Hillary Clinton, as the polls predicted, significantly defeated Donald Trump in the popular vote by roughly three million votes. People keep saying the polls prior to the election were wrong but they weren't. The polls were a prediction of the popular vote and not the Electoral College vote.

 

I voted the first time for Barack Obama in the primaries because I really do dislike Hillary Clinton. In fact I voted for Obama against McCain because I really dislike McCain also. The second time I voted for Romney over Obama. Now along comes Hillary again and everyone says you should vote for her because she's a woman. She's the most experienced one. I still couldn't stand her and voted for Trump. That said, could I have been persuaded to vote for her? Not hardly. This forum had a lot of people pro Trump and Anti Trump. They also had a lot of people pro Hillary and anti Hillary. Do you honestly believe anyone changed their mind who they voted for from the opinions of people on this forum? I'm pretty sure we have some Russians who post on here and tried to persuade opinion. Just like many others tried to persuade opinion. Hillary could run against Nikolas Cruz in the next election and I wouldn't vote for her.

 

The voters who voted in the general election elected Trump. It's as simple as that, so just accept it.

 

Yes, that is true
And it is also true that IF Russia was interested in impacting the election, trump was (AND IS) cool with that.

 

Of course the polls were wrong. They predicted she would win states that she did not win.

 

*Pence*

 

Pence wants to double down for Team Stupid, that's fine by me. He can go when Trump goes.

 

"Let’s try to put the troll offensive in context. The 2016 presidential elections were the most expensive in history, with both parties spending a combined $2.4 billion. Of this, the Clinton and Trump campaigns bought $81 million worth of advertising on Facebook. Contrast this with the $100,000 the Russians spent on Facebook ad buys. In the battleground states, Russian Facebook ad buys totaled $300 in Pennsylvania, $832 in Michigan, and $1979 in Wisconsin, all but $54 of that before the primary. If this amounted to subversion, it was definitely subversion on the cheap."

"
I greedily downloaded a pdf of the 33-page filing, expecting to finally get answers to questions that had been nagging me for months, such as: How could the Russians have been so sloppy as to get caught with their hands in Trump’s pockets? Did they believe Trump was smart enough to effectively collude with them? Did they really think Hillary needed any help blowing a sure thing? And, most importantly, what was Alice Donovan’s real name?

I was quickly disappointed. The Mueller indictment doesn’t charge any collusion between Trump and the Russians. In fact, it doesn’t even mention the word. Mueller also doesn’t draw any direct links between the troll farm in St. Petersburg and the Putin government in Moscow. And, most significantly, Mueller doesn’t allege that any of the nefarious trolling had the slightest “Butterfly effect” on the outcome of the 2016 elections. If there’s a conspiracy here, it’s looking more and more likely to be a conspiracy of dunces. Since there are many, many dunces in the White House, it’s still too early to rule out future charges against Team Trump. Thankfully, lack of evidence for collusion isn’t lack of evidence for criminal stupidity."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/23/99972/

 

Uhm... Isreal anyone?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

 

If you ever bother to watch the Pence speech in Michigan, during the very last campaign stop of the election, Pence pretty well spelled out that the internal polling was showing that Trump was going to win.
Pence even predicted a win in Pennsylvania.

The Russians evidently hypnotized Hillary into not going back to Wisconsin at all.

 

I need a better source...got one ?

 

The intelligence community has never stated that JakeStarkey didn't beat his wife.

#metoo

 

Trump and hillary spent $2.5 billion between during the 2016 presidential campsign

The idea that 10-12 million could drive the election is laughable

 

Elijah Cummings , lol. Oh you guys ... did his nose stop growing yet .. lol.

 

Fallacy of false equivalency above, an incredibly doltish one at that.

 

Thanks Obama.

 

What false equivalence? The intelligence community not saying he's innocent doesn't mean he's guilty.

 

Your question reveals that you don't understand what is a 'fallacy of false equivalence.' Look it up, get back to us, and tell us where you were wrong.