Military clashes between Pakistan and India!

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  1. Mac-7

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    The US is not jettisoning pakistan

    But we have a lot od issues with them that a souring the relationsip

    Particularly if pakistan decides to allign with china and north korea against the US
     
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    India should erase Pakistan.
     
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    This is basically a copy and paste from a hyper Progressive grad school program.

    The degree with which Progressives use post modern theory to "deconstruct" any action taken by the US is hilarious.

    Take the above statement of "refuses to see that any other country has interest other than it's own."

    Huh? What kind of lame statement is that, you think the USA doesn't know other countries are doing what is best for them? Why wouldn't we do what is best for us?

    This is what I am talking about, "Deconstruct" something like 'foreign aid' and assign the good reasons to "everyone else" and the bad reasons to the US.

    Then tell people that when the US does it, it is a selfish way of controlling other people through giving them things "on their terms". But of course, when another country gives foreign aid, it is some altruistic gesture that the US obviously just can't understand.

    Go back to Berkeley, your anti-American'ism is just too obvious
     
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  4. EarthSky

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    You clearly do not understand that the Program for a New American Century is not dead but reloading for a new round of regime changes and projection of American power. All you need to do is look at the National Security Adviser, An original signer of that document and the Secretary of State a self-identified neo-con, and look at the expansion of military spending to understand that the blinkered, raving delusion of American full-spectrum dominance of the world is not dead but still bubbling around the feverish minds of Washington warhawks.

    It has be
    Not sure which decade you are referring as you seem all over the place but Vietnam is hardly an empire. Ironically the US and Vietnam both have interests in curtailing Chinese expansion in the SCS so there is common interests and trade between the countries has been slowly expanding.
     
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    China wants to control the world

    Liberals seem to accpt china as a cuddly panda bear that means no harm to anyone

    But nothing could be farther from the truth
     
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    Pakistan never align with china or NK against US, your link? sino-pak relationship has always been close since 60s.
     
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    Ad hominem aside, there is no reason why the US should not do what is best for it. The trouble is that what appears to be best for the US is interfering economically and militarily in the affairs of other countries and directly threatening nations whose leaders it does not like with regime change and sanctions. I am not sure that this is in the best interest of the American people, as Trump once ironically pointed out before he was overwhelmed by the national security state and the proponents of endless war.
    Nobody is talking about foreign aid on this thread but seeing you brought it up, while US spends more dollars on foreign aid it ranks dead last in quality of that aid according to the Centre for Global Development:

    "According to an annual index released Tuesday by the Center for Global Development that ranks 27 of the world's wealthiest countries, the U.S. scored dead last on foreign aid contributions and quality — despite being the largest donor in dollar amount. That's because in 2017, it allocated a mere 0.18 percent of its gross national income for development assistance. That is well short of the 0.7 percent that wealthy countries have committed to strive for since 1970. (Only seven countries met or exceeded that target in 2016.)

    Not only that, but by the measures of the index, American aid is also poor quality. When the index assessed aid given directly to recipient countries, the U.S. performed below average on every measure of quality (efficient use, transparency, building up institutions in recipient countries and reducing their administrative burden).

    On the other hand, American aid given through international organizations like the World Bank or Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria scored relatively high for quality. Unfortunately, the U.S. does not prefer international organizations and provides 83 percent of its aid directly to recipients — a higher proportion than any of the other countries in the index."


    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-does-us-spend-its-foreign-aid

    Also, when the size of the economy is compared, America spends relatively little compared to countries such as:
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    "That only tells part of the story, however. The United States spends very little on foreign aid relative to the size of its economy, particularly compared with other rich countries. The U.S. spent about 0.17 percent of its GNI on ODA in 2015. By comparison, Sweden, the top contributor by this metric, gave 1.4 percent of its GNI in overseas development aid that year. The United States ranks among the bottom third of OECD countries, close to Portugal and Slovenia, in ODA spending."

    Ironically Berkeley is not a radical left-wing place anymore. It is more of a tech and business centre but at any rate, I went to university in Canada and not Berkeley.

    And you are conflating and honest examination of US foreign policy with Anti-Americanism. It is a common strawman for people who cannot see their government or it's role in the world as it really is and choose to attack the messenger rather than the facts.
     
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    you got link on that? sure they have global interest, but come on dominating the world is far fetch.
     
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    I'm for India. I like Hindu's.
     
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    F 16 is an american fighter jet , that too of very high repute . it is going to be very hard for F 16 fanboys in US to accept that it was downed by a humble old mig 21 . the NYT being an american newspaper is not going to be easily persuaded that an america built plane was shot by a russian tech fighter .
     
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    The folks that invented suicide bombings?
     
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    I thought the Chinese invented it.
     
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    As an intentional weapon? No, that was the Hindi trying to kill Muslims when the India/Pakistan split was happening. Before that it was a improvised weapon of desperation.
     
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    I think it was invented long before that.
     
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    what nonsense . we hindus don't do suicide bombings . it's a muslim expertise .
     
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    Who learned it from hindH extreamists.
     
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    We're creating much of the tensions in the Far East. For example all N. Korea needs to get rid of its nukes is for us to disarm S. Korea. As long as we have our fleet floating around and our missiles aimed at the North, there is no way they will disarm.

    Another example of a treaty that was never signed is between Russia and Japan. Russia promised the Kuril islands to Japan after WWII, but because they fear the US will militarized them, Russia can't do so without endangering its security.

    As for Chinas expansion into the S. China Seas, the nations are not concerned about China's military since they have never been an aggressive nation - like Japan for instance. Their concerns are over the mineral deposits in waters that China is claiming.

    These problems would have been solved years ago if the US didn't intervene. China was ready to make deals with each country so that they could all benefit. But Washington intervened with the excuse that they need to negotiate from a position of strength - as if it's any of Washington's business.

    Of course this didn't benefit those countries, nor did Washington intend for it to benefit them. It was done solely to hinder China's access to the resources it needs.

    Washington has been doing the same thing in the Balkans with China's Belt and Road initiative and Russia's Southstream pipeline. Both would have brought money, jobs and commerce to the countries in Europe that needed it the most, but instead the government leaders were either coerced not to allow them to proceed, or they were overthrown.
     
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    I find it interesting how the Pakistan/US relationship cools, Pakistan shifts towards China... and now this dispute in Kashmir, managed for decades, suddenly ignites.

    The MiG21 shooting down an F-16 is an issue due to the "end user agreement" when purchasing the F16's. Imagine that, Pakistan is not allowed to use them...what the hell sort of buyers agreement is that...
     
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    so what year do you think suicide bomb was invented.
     
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    There were bombs when they invented gunpowder.
     
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    china invent gunpowder for firework, EU use it for guns. its was not even call gunpowder back then. and no there were no bombs, earliest gun were invented by EU around 14-15th century. bombs was invented much later, suicide bomber was a modern things for extremist.
     
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    Yes, I would probably have to agree with you.
     
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    Saudi Arabia is dependent on Pakistan to provide the men it needs for their Sunni Nato. Right now 80 thousand are being trained in the Kingdom.
     
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    After this photo of the BRIC nations and the establishment of China's bank, Russia was almost destroyed with the sanctions and drop in oil prices. Brazil's economy dropped and Dilma Roussef was impeached for corruption. South Africa's economy did a down turn at the same time as did India's. Coincidence, I think not!
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    OMG, my eyes burn from the screaming illiteracy that I just read!

    1st of all - there was no EU in 14-15th centuries.

    2nd of all - Chinese used gunpowder for bombs and in warfare for at least 1,000 years and counting:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb


    Suicide in order to achieve military objectives is as old as warfare - did you watch movie 300? That was a suicide for greater good. It wouldn’t take too long for someone to blow themselves up if they strongly believed into something.

    Did you even graduate high school?
     
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