Military Quietly Prepares for a Last Resort: War With North Korea

The NKs are very tough and so must the SKs be

But the north is still a backward feudal society whereas South Korea consumes more mens beauty products per capita than any other country

So your impressions of the ROKs may be a little outdated

 

Ah yes, faith in Airpower to defeat an Army on their own turf who have been training for this war since they were old enough to hold a rifle. I wonder if there were any historical examples we could find of this being a complete failure? Hmm, if only you read some history.

 

You're getting the exact same reply as above because your comment is equally ignorant of history.

Ah yes, faith in Airpower to defeat an Army on their own turf who have been training for this war since they were old enough to hold a rifle. I wonder if there were any historical examples we could find of this being a complete failure? Hmm, if only you read some history.

 

You are correct about the limits of airpower

We can expect the quality of north korean soldiers to be excellent

And many will prove to be as fanatical as the japanese defeding their home islands

But unless china puts a stop to kim we will have to

 

Yeah, sure, a point here. Sure they've been training for this since ..whenever. I do read some history too.
I also recall the Iraqis training since day one/even by Soviet advisors/generals back in the day.
That was a ground/air war, I recall thousands of Elite Iraqi guards/ generals surrendering to about 3 dozen US Marines...Desert Storm 1.

 

To call those Iraqi soldiers is elite is a joke. They were only elite in that the lion's share of working equipment. The morale, motivation, and training of the average NK soldier is far superior to that of some Iraqi conscript, or even their republican guard. There's also the terrain to consider. NK isn't the wide open, vast expanses of desert that is ideal for our weapon systems to deploy. Often, we could out range iraqi units and just standoff them to dust. To destroy NK units, our forces will have to close and engage. That means a lot of casualties. They have expansive tunnel networks for local counterattacks, not to mention a massive subterfuge/spy network in SK. We hardly fought Iraqis outside of urban combat where they could hide behind civilians.

These NK soldiers believe they are in a fight for survival and their faith in little Kim is far superior than any Iraqis had in saddam. Most Iraqis have a vague concept of Iraq as a nation, versus the narrative of us against the world drilled into NK people from childhood. I don't think that's a good comparison at all.

 

I agree. If we could not beat them and China the last time, after there was literally nothing left standing in NK, what makes us think we can beat them and china this time? Wars of this kind are won on the ground by humans, not high tech air wars. You think NK is ready for us? Damn right they are. Where they were not ready for us the last time. This is a fool's mission.

The only good thing might be we have to draft again, which means we start sending these faux liberals into real combat. So they put some skin in the game. We would see the dems becomes doves again if that happened, and then perhaps we could get out of the neocon war mongering foreign policy.

 

North Vietnam had been a war for years before the US became involved.

North Korea is not Vietnam. There's no Ho Chi Minh Trail in North Korea.

It's hard to fight when your Supply Chain has been disrupted and destroyed.

 

IMO, the most effective way to deal with NK would be to allow re-unification of the Koreas.

 

So What!
What else is the military suppose to do, as opposed to nothing.
Maybe, Guard And Protect Our Borders ?


Moi
War We Must !

r > g

And Where Is The Military?
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

Sigh. Those who do not learn the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat them. You severely underestimate NK's ability to resist and severely overestimate the effectiveness of modern airpower. Please read up on this a bit.

 

You were fine until you got here.

Make no mistake, if the petulant baby gets his way, thousands of American kids and many thousands of SK kids will die regardless of their political affiliation.

 

And if the US stopped provoking Kim with continuous war exercises, Kim would stop the tests. But the US refuses to and that's what you're not being told. Do you realize that any attack on N. Korea is a threat to the security of China and Russia and will start WWIII? XI gave a very ominous speech to his men about 3 weeks ago.

 

It's not something to simply be "allowed." Significant political classes in either country are bound to lose power in any unification scheme, especially Kim and his military.

It will probably take an internal coup instigated by the Chinese that finally sees the re-unification of Korea. I just hope this coup occurs before the bombs start dropping.

 

Excellently said! These same neo cons would be screaming to high heaven if there was a war and their sons had to serve. It's okay though if the 'untermenchen' die for their self serving agenda's.

Now if I were Kim, I would find out exactly where their hide out is in case of a war, and send my missile right there. The whole world would be better for it. Maybe hitting the Pentagon would be just as good.

 

A lot of governments do

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...th-aliens-zombies-and-other-unexpected-things
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/41914...itary-response-and-it-makes-for-grim-reading/
http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/wh...-attack-the-us-military-has-a-team-in-place-2
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/alien-invasion-earth-is-defenseless_n_4046659.html

And so on....

 

No no, please CONTINUE screeching about Hillary, do it all the way up to November 2018 and all the way through till 2020.
And don't forget to screech about Obama too, FULL BIRTHER!!
Keep doing what you're doing.

 

While I do agree with you, it is a question that has not been answered ever since "The Orange Clown" was voted into office. Hillary did all the same things if not worse, but now the she lost the argument is thrown to the other side.

Likewise all these evil things that the Right attacked the other "team" for have magically become "good guy tools".

It cracks me up actually, the soon to be government shut down is another perfect example of the two party BS going on.

As soon as the other "team" gets into the mix, the arguments literally flip flop 180 degrees on both sides.

 

You are confusing Hillary with your Russian friends. It was all part of the Republican-Russian propaganda to get trump elected.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-vote-trump-or-face-nuclear-war-idUSKCN12C28Q

 

It could be that the Islamist terrorists and the North Koreans never shared Tony's Blairs's military philosophy.

 

I don't see any best American intentions in this very deal. It's easy to solve all the issues by murdering the threatening guy. And it seems to be a perfect solution. No man - no problem. But when someone starts to kill all problematic people for him all the people around him get much more risk to kill or get killed.

Let's have a look at NK behavior. It has nukes since... for decades. It had possibility to use it against SK or the US for decades. NK didn't. So obviously a story of mad man don't work. Koreans might be whatever, but they are not mad. When do they usually make moves with their nuclear rockets? They do so after US and their allies around NK have military drills or change the balance of possible war.

Imagine yourself in the place of young Kim. You don't have really loyal friends, you don't have treaties. Decades ago you could hope that communists will become your brothers in arms but today there is not that much communists around. The sanctions against you make you even weaker. And your most possible enemy is the most powerful state in the world which already attacked several states and this state possesses huge military power in the region... What would you do in his place? I would jump out of trousers trying to show that before being killed I am able to bite with some real poison. I would do exactly the thing which Kim is doing. This is the behavior of the weak when he is scared for his life.

Now what happens if the US loses all the bases and even gives the SK a chance to fight for their own country alone (they are much more rich) losing the influence in Asia and stopping to be a the only superpower. It is also impossible. But it is not deadly. The US lived for centuries as an isolationist country. The level was much poorer, the role of the state in world policy is not that big, but it is still not deadly! Now tell me who needs to look for compromise under the circumstances?

I see the only possible to stop the conflict in reintegration of 2 Koreas. They need to intensify cultural contacts, trade and start military cooperation This can happen under protection of the US and Russia and China will be able to even pay for that. Make a plan for peace agreement and give Kim an alternative to end his days as a proprietor of a rocket factory. Let him compete with Ilon Mask since he managed to make his rockets fly further within a short time. I mean it sounds stupid and I didn't really give it a real thought, but IMO even this plan is better than pressurizing Kim and really poor NK risking a local nuclear war.

As for interests of the USA in the region they can be fixed by treaties with reunified Korea and backed by military presence of the US in Japan. The US is in Korea not because of Kim, but because of China and Russia. But I don't insist. Maybe the purpose is different.

 

Typical US braggadocio - 'Hey y'all, let's just go in and bomb those suckers out of existence.' That's what you tried to do in Vietnam . . . remember how that worked out? The biggest humiliation in the history of America, and god knows what the casualty figures were?? NK and SK seem to be working it out for themselves, so rather than risk tens of thousands of lives - including American lives? - why not just poke out and see how they get on, because contrary to flawed conviction the West doesn't know what's best for everyone else on the planet - as has been proven countless times??

 

Do you approve of legalising drugs?

Kim will not give up or share power in a u ified korea

So yes the best solution is the one I have been calling for since last year

Kim must die

 

No. But that is a separate issue. I don't approve drugs because they make no way out for consumer. This is the same reason why I don't approve wars. I wish the people to have a choice. Kim doesn't have it. The US does.

Of course Kims and communists will have a lot of votes at any elections in Korea. But I don't say anything like lets get out of Korea and make lovepeace there. No. It will be a long process. Korea needs to form economical chains with labour and resources of NK coming to south and technology and science coming to the North. It will take some time for North and South to make their cultures closer. It will take another 10-50 years and the current Kim wouldn't be the one to take part in the elections. These projects started recently but was stopped with the current position of the US which restarted sanctions.

Another Kim would come. Whoever comes to power in NK even if it is you will not be able to change NK. If I come to power in NK today I will have to make my people survive under sanctions and make my nuclear rokets fly in quantities which will stop the US of a quite a possible attack, which is as far as I know planned already and the military stays grouped at the borders. If I don't do it - a different guy will do that. If I come to power with a project to stop sexual harrasments and have better success that in the US, but failing the most important tasks, I will lose the power, because the US will attack and my people will die of hunger in unacceptable quantities.

 

I dont think kim will share power

Actualy I’m sure he will not

He is the third generation of an inherited dynasty and has abdolute power in notth korea

The only way korea can be unified as long as kim lives is with him in total control