Military Spending Is Already Bankrupting America

White House tells the Pentagon to curb spending then suddenly this report of how America will lose a war against China and Russia pops up...I do think the Americans are grossly inefficient ito spending and so encumbered by bureaucracy it takes months to implement important changes.

I also think scaremongering is used by most if not all governments as a means to prop up defense budgets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.43c9540ad2ad

 

I've not heard anything quite so ridiculous in a long time.

The US by nature of its unique geographical setting is defendable against any realistic foreign power by both the Pacific and the Atlantic - unless you think Canada and / or Mexico have designs on invading you. Which they don't.

The fact is that the US has never had to really consider being invaded ever since its inception other than in the very loosest sense by Latin American immigrants seeking a better economic life.

The actual reality is that it became a hegemonic military power-cum-empire that invades other nations and projects military might and wars around the world and never has to worry about true "defence" in the traditional sense.

 

Hilarious.

 

Good to see you back Witchy...

 

That's easy to say from the comfort of your home.

 

I support being the strongest military on Earth as a means to prevent and deter actual war.

 

I have a positive view of the US and 'we' were enemies once and got bombed.
It has nothing to due with Russia being nearby, as a comparison.

I was and am ignorant of many things, i am human. My prejudice and misconceptions went away when I have met americans IRL long ago. My family housed an american exchange student when I was about his age(we can drink alcohol since we're born around here so you can imagine the fun, dunno if he drank that much because it was his first time or to get over the culture shock). I was too an exchange student in turkey, another set of former invaders. I have lots of friends and memories with all kind of people.

The distrust or hatred passed by generation or that of propaganda is shattered by cultural exchange and not being isolated.
My case or that of the vietnamesse, is the norm but not the rule, as you know since there is a muslim ban.

 

Great!
So then you support the statement that European countries in particular should have a portion of their tax dollars given to the United States for it's global military protection?
You would agree that NATO nations should have to pay a minimum portion of their tax base for their own military and a stipend to the U.S.?

 

What makes you think an actual "invasion" is the only way to threaten the citizens of the United States?

Drive some Scud missile launchers (mobile launchers and all) out onto the decks of cargo ships (cover them with tarps to conceal them while en route) and you can launch their warheads into the hearts of the largest America cities without warning from international waters. And that's only one way to kill thousands of American citizens with 1960s era weapons commonly available without having enemy forces so much as set foot on U.S. territory.

 

During the height of the British Empire they had a policy that the royal navy had to be more power than the 2nd & 3rd most powerful navies, combined.

The U.S. military should be stronger than the 2nd & 3rd most powerful militaries, combined.

 

Having 11 carrier groups will not prevent that

 

Well we would lose a conventional ground war with China today.

 

Not all of those can be deployed at one time. And even those can't be everywhere. Not to mention the U.S. just doesn't go stopping thousands of cargo ships in international waters until something actually happens. It wouldn't take long to pull the tarp off a Scud launcher, raise the missile to firing position and let it fly.

 

Maybe we need 50 of them

 

Strictly in my opinion 15 supercarriers with one a dedicated training platform would suffice for this countries needs and for the foreseeable future.

 

When man abandons his mind, wholesale slaughter and moral and economic bankruptcy is the ultimate end. And to accept altruism is to abandon one’s mind.

What is responsible for all evil today, including man’s inhumanity to man is the metaphysics of Plato, and the epistemology and ethics of Kant, i.e., we live in an unreal world which we comprehend by divine inspiration, which tells us to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the all.

What’s destroying the modern world? Fundamentally, the rejection of reality and reason, and the embrace of faith and pragmatic dogma to justify using force to compel obedience to altruism.

Ayn Rand: “Faith and force . . . are corollaries: every period of history dominated by mysticism, was a period of statism, of dictatorship, of tyranny.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/faith.html

 

The statement I responded to was your ludicrous assertion that "the United States is not defendable from within its own borders".

Having shot down that daft statement you now shift to a completely different scenario as if nothing has happened.

The fact is that defending against this scenario most certainly CAN be achieved by purely domestic defence - without any need for force projection, nation conquering or regime change whatsoever.

 

I always had the Scud missiles aboard cargo ships in mind. I've never claimed anything about a foreign nation being capable of invading the United States. Once again, why do you think that is the primary or only threat to the U.S. mainland?

You cannot defend the U.S. mainland from attack by keeping U.S. military forces within U.S. borders or air space or waters and giving potential hostile forces free reign outside those borders.

 

Really?
How?

 

Note from the Wikipedia about the most common SCUD missile. The SCUD- B

Scud-B
The successor to the R-11, the R-17 (SS-1C Scud-B), renamed R-300 in the 1970s, was the most prolific of the series, with a production run estimated at 7,000. It served in 32 countries and four countries besides the Soviet Union manufactured copied versions.[5] The first launch was conducted in 1961, and it entered service in 1964.[1]

The R-17 was an improved version of the R-11. It could carry nuclear, chemical, conventional or fragmentation weapons.[5] At first, the Scud-B was carried on a tracked transporter erector launcher (TEL) similar to that of the Scud-A, designated 2P19, but this was not successful and a wheeled replacement was designed by the Titan Central Design Bureau, becoming operational in 1967.[7] The new MAZ-543 vehicle was officially designated 9P117 Uragan. The launch sequence could be conducted autonomously, but was usually directed from a separate command vehicle. The missile is raised to a vertical position by means of hydraulically powered cranes, which usually takes four minutes, while the total sequence lasts about one hour

Built in huge numbers (7,000). Built by 4 different countries besides the U.S.S.R. 190 mile range with a warhead of about 2,200 lbs.

Which means it could be launched into the heart of U.S. coastal cities (you know where most Americans live) from 100 miles BEYOND U.S. territorial waters on about an hours notice at most. Imagine if you will a dozen one ton high explosive warheads from a dozen missiles each raining down in New York City, Houston, Miami, Los Angeles? Anyone care to suggest what the death toll from the explosions themselves to say nothing of the public panic would result in?

Sure, the U.S. Coast Guard and Navy would quickly hunt down the cargo ships where the launches took place. But that would NOT be instantaneous. The operators of the missiles might well be able to escape in smaller vessels.

 

We don't need your bloody interference in our affairs; all you do is to make things worse than they are. Just mind your own business for a effing change, and use your tax dollars for something for the benefit of mankind, not to its detriment.

 

You're telling America to "mind your own business".

At the same time you are telling Americans how to use its tax dollars?

Can you not see the disconnect there?

 

Yes you can

 

Feel free to explain.

 

HAha.... your funny.
One of these days you will grow up.