Military Spending Is Already Bankrupting America

I'm not telling Americans anything, merely suggesting it would bring about a beneficial social revolution if they spent their tax dollars on healthcare for everyone instead of weaponry which wreaks death and destruction on the populaces of other countries? So no, I don't see a disconnect there.

 

Noted, and I suggest you read what you wrote above, then ask yourself which one of us needs to 'grow up'??

 

Quite right Cerb.

Yanks complain you're interfering in American affairs and yet Yankland interferes across in nation in the world. It's not only hypocrisy but a complete and worrying psychological disconnect.

 

Sure ... But isn't it completely hypocritical when the United States does the same thing and dance around in the front yard of others like Russia this way?

 

You cannot wholly protect against this kind of sneak attack under all circumstances. But you can diminish the prospect by changing US foreign policy and cease purposely making enemies around the world.

 

This is already hilarious ...

#1
You're actually coming back with the BS because of the 2% of the GDP everyone has to put in their own military?
You know that there is the 2014 Wales Treaty, signed by all NATO members, including the US?
You also know what is written in there? Everybody has to do that from 2024 ... do we already have 2024, eh?

#2
You know that this alleged global protection of the US is limited only to the nuclear screen and conventionally the United States have stationed only ridiculously little in Europe? For the US Army, only the parts 173rd Airborne Brigade and the complete 2nd Armored Cavelry Regiment with Stryker FV!
You also know that European countries are making a substantial contribution to the maintenance costs of the US bases ... and that these bases are now mostly used by the US for NATO stuff, but for US global interests?

 

Really? The U.S. had left Afghanistan alone for most of a decade and we still got the 9-11 attacks.

Explain that.

 

Wrong approach ...
The US has supported everyone and everything in Afghanistan fighting against the USSR, and once the USSR got out of it, the US just wanted a crap, and then what happened next.
This is typical US policy that has been practiced many times since the end of World War II!

And right now it's starting again, and also with Afghanistan!
The USA had the golden opportunity to leave Afghanistan cleanly at the beginning of 2002 because the Taliban honorably want to be capitulated, but that was denied them. It followed 17 years of war until today and you are tired of it and just wants to get out there now.
Officially everything is handed over to the Afghans and then go out with a ridiculous "Mission Acciomplished" ... but honestly, how long will the current government survive after the complete withdrawal? Not for long ... but that does not interest the United States any more than it did when they were interested in the fate of South Vietnam or Iraq when they left here!

 

You really believe a large enemy military buildup on the US is not going to be noticed well in advance of an attack on the US?

 

Operation Infinite Reach, 1998, Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach

 

Well, these two ideas dont have to be in competition with each other thankfully.

 

A single cruise missile attack against a terrorist leader is hardly significant.

 

On any given day thousands of large cargo ships are within a few hundred miles of the American coasts. We do not inspect more than a fraction of them nor is that even possible. Or legal for that matter.

 

The Soviets packed it in in Afghanistan what 1989? 1990?

In case you forgot, 9-11 was in 2001. More than a DECADE later.

 

Exactly .. and what happened in the meantime? All the US well-armed groups turned the madhouse into a bigger madhouse at the end of which the Taliban were suddenly in power and where, before 9/11, the US even seriously considered negotiating contracts for a pipeline!

That went off as always ... with the USA! As soon as the US no longer fancies a conflict that they have mostly even started or at least really fueled, Mission accomplished comes to nothing, though, and they give a crap to the **** they have done and then leave behind!

 

Blimey! You really do think Osama was responsible for 9/11, right? Too funny.

Try a different argument about why the US is unable to defend itself against a MV container carrying a Scud loaded with a WMD - without projecting massive overseas forces and starting foreign based wars at every opportunity?

 

Mate ... Osama did really 9/11 with his Al Qaida ... this crappy blabbering of "conspiracy" is simply crap and still refuted in all parts ... even the conspircy trolls won't accept the facts of course. If someone wants to believe something so hard, you can't convince them about the truth at all.

But you are right, that the US secret services failed totally and more as that and above all ... the Bush government failed and is really responsible for it, because they were so deep confessed with Saddam, that this Al Qaida things was rated to be very minor important BS from Clinton government.

 

No disrespect, but you and I see things very differently on 9/11 Mandelus.

I'm far more inclined to the view held by John Pilger and many others about 9/11 being that "catastrophic and catalysing event -- like a New Pearl Harbour" outlined by the Project for a New American Century as the essential "opportunity of the ages" for the Rebuilding of America's Defences (read as aggression): strategy, forces and resources for a new century" (see HERE). It cynically led the US to attack Iraq on the false justification it had weapons of mass destruction (that the West had earlier supplied it during the 1980's, but which Saddam had already god rid of, as suicided British weapons inspector, Dr. David Kelly, well knew) and was soon followed by the US going after Afghanistan - where the US is still ensconced.

It was one of the most cynical and disastrous policies for domestic America and has caused immense suffering and hardship around the world also.

Think of the Lusitania sinking as an equally cynical ploy for America to go to war:



But that's the elite for you. They don't give a damn about suffering, death and destruction etc.

 

Send you a PM about this mate ... too much off topic here

But about this so called WW-1 conspiracy only: This was "done" by the British at least, if it was a conspircy what I deny. It was a lousy miss-use of the ship for ammunition transport.

 

With all due respect sir, you and the government and the media are UNABLE to prove your assertion that OBL(Timothy Osman) pulled off 911.

Most of the facts suggest Tel Aviv pulled off 911.

 

With all due respect Sir ... not a single of these claims of conspircy survived and was not refuted by facts. But because this here otally off topic, I can send you a PM about

 

Except for the fact that Osama Bin Laden openly ADMITTED that his organization pulled off the 9-11 attacks. That cannot be debated.

 

Jokers to the left of me, jokers to right of me. And fools pretending to be wise and knowing. What a crock.

 

I always try to be neutral ... so I do not want to withhold that on this point the so-called "Truthers" will respond generously that Osama bin Laden adorned himselve with borrowed plumes only.

As I said before, the topic 9/11 and conspiracy is an infinite and never-ending topic in What I have spent years intensively and where I finally was concluding that it is just wasted time to refute the conspiracy claims. The "Truthers" want to believe it, no matter what the facts and evidence you give them, which refutes their claims.
But the whole thing is here in this Thread totally off topic is and for which it gives elsewhere in the forum already many threads.

 

In my opinion, states don't make mistakes like that Mandelus, not when a war would be the obvious result. Decisions like this are carefully calibrated. It was time for the US to enter the war and accept the mantle of leadership (see below).

I am inclined to agree that this was largely British driven - and the earlier link I provided explains in great detail. But we have to also take into account Cecil Rhodes and his secret society's aim (prior to Rhodes death) to bring the US back into the British orbit (or rather the British would accept US leadership) via the vaunted Anglo-American "special relationship" because Rhodes and his Milner / Oxford Group clearly understood that the days of British empire were unraveling.

By 1919 the seeds for WWII were set in stone in the WWI Versailles Peace Conference (where Allen Dulles was present).

Btw, I would recommend those interested to read up on the founding of the Pilgrims Society (HERE) by the British and American elite of that day.