Military Training Exercise July 2015 Southwestern USA only

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  1. SueAnn

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    Anyone know anything about this?

    Notice WHO this involves? Green Berets, Navy Seals, etc. The cream of the crop of all the various services.
    Notice where it takes place? Several states, all close to the Mexican border.

    Check out the map. One particular hot spot is marked "Insurgency pocket". On the Mexican border.

    Your thoughts?
    https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/2...llow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll
     
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    Notice that those red areas on the map didn't vote for Obama. :smile:

    The U.S. military is always conducting training exercises in the south west deserts since most of the land is federal public land. Except for Texas which has no federal public land. Texas doesn't even have any Indian reservations, the Texas Rangers made sure of that. :smile:

    The largest post WW ll training exercise was conducted in the early 1960's and took place in the entire Mojave Desert and Sonoran Desert in California and extended beyond Phoenix, Az. and across most of Nevada into Utah. It involved a couple of army divisions and the Air Force. One division attacked California from Arizona and Nevada, bridges were constructed to cross the Colorado River. There were quite a few soldiers who got bit by rattle snakes while crawling around the desert at night.

    But I digress.

    The red portion in southern California on the map is already a training area for Navy SEAL's and Marines. The Navy's SERE training center is located at Warner Springs north east of San Diego. East of San Diego is a Navy SEAL weapons training range, the Navy's parachute training area west of the Salton Sea and east of the Salton Sea is the Navy's huge bombing range in the Chocolate Mountains. Just across the Colorado River is the army's Yuma proving grounds.
     
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    Apacherat, thank you so much for the explanation. I did not know any of this. Fascinating.

    I can't even begin to express the degree of respect and gratitude I have for these American Heroes.

    I feel just a little bit safer knowing they do so much in preparation to protect us.

    Hugs to all current military Heroes and Veteran Heroes on this forum.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Update on imposing martial law or Obama subduing right-leaning groups and individuals.

     
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    For one, it is not just "Special Operators". A great many units take part in these operations. I did so many times as part of the 11th Air Defense Brigade. Other units also participated, from Quartermaster units, Marine Infantry units, and Navy Medical units.

    As for why most take place in border states, that should be obvious. That is where the largest military reservations have been for decades. Yuma MCAS, Fort Bliss, White Sands, 29 Palms, Fort Irwin, Camp Pendleton, Fort Hood, and others. The largest bases are all in that area of the country, so that is where they hold these large exercises. These bases are literally hundreds of square miles in size, perfect for such large operations.

    You are not going to get a very large operation at say Mountain Home AFB or Fort Dix, which are tiny spots when compared to the massive training bases in states like Arizona, California, or Texas. Most bases you can drive through in minutes, where as the massive bases I am talking about can take over an hour to traverse.

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    All of the "massive" bases in other areas of the country have fallen prey to base closures, and partitioning to convert them to civilian uses over the decades. Even Fort Knox (long the home for US Armor) has shrunk so much that the tank units have largely moved elsewhere (Fort Bliss, Texas), there is no longer enough room to conduct full scale operations there anymore.

    Hard to do large scale military training operations on a base only 109,000 acres in size total (Fort Knox). Instead you hold them on a base that has an operational maneuver area of almost 1 million acres, like Fort Bliss (which in total is well over 1.7 million acres). In that powerpoint presentation you referenced, you notice one of the places it listed was Oro Grande. That is a tiny "base camp" on the Bliss reservation, a small part of the almost 1 million acre operational training area.

    If you ever take the 54 north of El Paso, you will drive right through the heart of this training area, for about an hour. You will pass the small town of Oro Grande, then enter the reservation again for another 30 minutes or so until you finally come to the outskirts of Alamogordo. But most of the land to the West will still be military base, until you get to the outskirts of Albuquerque.
     
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    Thank you for your response, mushroom
     
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    Its not really the training on the military bases and test ranges that is getting the attention (co-ordinated training between the various bases and ranges has gone on for decades), its the parts of the exercises that will occur in non-military public areas including cities large and small (San Antonio is named as one, Houston seems to be another).

    Part of the exercise is to have military forces - including those playing the bad guys - try to operate in secret among civilians. And if its typical of other recent exercises in cities, "good guys" will swoop in with helicopters and ground vehicles and take care of the "bad guys".

    These types of activities in the past have been disruptive and dangerous with helicopters flying between buildings, vehicles zipping around, troops rappelling from helo's and down civilian buildings, shooting of blanks/simunitions, and with cops trying to suddenly close off streets and trying to coral civilians who are in the area going about their daily business.

    Essentially the military is trying to use civilian areas as training ranges, without the consent of the civilians, and probably with immunity in the event a civilian gets hurt.
     
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    Are you even aware that bordering San Antonio is Lackland Air Force Base and Fort Sam Houston? And that are no less then 7 military installations in or bordering Houston?

    Sorry, once again, complete fail. That is like stating that it is wrong for military operations to occur in El Paso, even though it is literally split in half by Fort Bliss. Or (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about operations in Carlsbad California, even though it is right against Camp Pendleton.

    Please tell me what operations are occurring in "civilian areas", eh?

    Sorry, nothing but conspiracy theory fodder.
     
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    I did not write the training would be on bases, I wrote that there was training in civilian areas, Texas cities specifically listed in the Jade Helm briefing slides https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/2...llow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll are
    "Bastrop/Smithville, Big Springs, Caddo Lake, Caldwell, Cristoval, College Station, Dell City, el Dorado, Goliad, Junction, Leakey, Menard, Mountain Home, San Angelo, San Antonio, Victoria"

    There are no military facilities near most of those places. College Station is literally a college town (Texas A&M), no base anywhere nearby.

    Also from the briefing slides,

    "To hone advanced skills the military and Interagency require large areas of undeveloped land with low population densities with access to towns"

    "Operating in and around communities where anything out the ordinary will be spotted and reported (locals are the first to notice something out of place)"

    "The opportunity to work with civilians to gain their trust and an understanding of the issues"

    "personnel may be carrying weapons with blank ammo"

    "Some participants will be wearing civilian attire and driving civilian vehicles"

    "Safety for civilians and exercise participants is our number one priority" - this slide mentions "key words" so participants can tell each other apart from nonparticipating civilians, coordination with local residents, medical personnel available in case of injury


    Sherrifs in various towns have said there will be exercises in the towns themselves.

    Maybe you should at least get up to speed before posting.
     
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    And can you find a single referenced source that says they will be operating in civilian communities?

    No, because all you have is a powerpoint presentation that is unreferenced.

    Hey, when we went from El Paso to Yuma, we spent hours in the civilian community, primarily I-10 and I-8. And when we stopped for gas and bathroom breaks, we did it at commercial truck stops and fast food places.

    Sorry, I am rejecting this once again because it is conspiracy theory fodder, and nothing else.
     
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    LOL, in other words, you refuse to believe what is plainly in front of your nose. SF trains in civilian areas, they have staged training exercises in the middle of cities, its been reported with video in many standard media, all you have to do is search for it. Why you insist JH will be any different despite the JH briefing can only be attributed to stubbornness.
     
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    Special ops training in civilian urban areas isn't new.

    Back during the late 70's or early 80's Navy SEAL's landed on the Manhattan Beach, Ca. at night, made their way about two miles inland to Sepulveda Bvd. took taxis and buses to designated military bases around Los Angeles and Orange County to test the bases security.

    In 1989 I was surf fishing at Emerald Bay in Orange County when a MD-500 type helicopter painted all black with no markings or tail number made an emergency landing on the beach. A couple of soldiers jumped out armed with H&K MP-5's and kept the crown back. An hour later two Marine Corps 6X's showed up and a mechanic went to work on the helicopter. Thirty minutes later the chopper took off. Asked one of the Marines were they Delta Force ? He concured.

    During the 1990's it was common to see Marine Corps CH-46's flying over the Angeles National Forest the San Gabriel Mountains just north of the San Gabriel Valley that's just east of downtown L.A. They would land a couple of Marine rifle squads on Mondays and return on Thursdays to pick them up. The Marines used the mountains as a training area.

    Every once in awhile Marines like to (*)(*)(*)(*) off liberals and they did just that.


     
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    I trained at White Sands years ago, but didn't see much on the way coming or going because I was inside "cattle cars" with almost no view outside.
     
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    MOOO MOOO MOOO

    I only had to ride in those cattle cars three times, from MCRDSD to Edson Range at Pendleton and back and after graduation at MCRDSD we were transported to 2nd ITR at Pendleton.

    While aboard Pendleton we humped to all of the ranges. If the range was 12 miles away, we humped it.

    When the 5th Marines were at 29 Stumps (Twenty Nine Palms) they humped 125 miles in five days with full field marching packs, from the desert to the sea.

    Looks like the cattle car has been labeled politically incorrect. Army privates don't hump 15 miles to the range ? Since when ?

     
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    There was even a spectacular one back in 1986 in Orange County.

    During that year, Red Cell (SEAL Team Six) did a base security exercise against the Seal Beach Naval Weapon Station (something I have mentioned in here before). And of course all of the penetrations started in the civilian community, where they lived in hotels when not making attacks from the civilian security onto the base.

    And they even took the Base Security Chief hostage from his home as part of the exercise.

    But these events are far from "operating in the civilian area", they are specifically targeted and part of the larger training operation. It is not like they start running down the street and performing mock attacks at random locations.

    Thankfully I only rode in Cattle Cars a couple of times, all at Camp Pendleton.

    I think they have pretty much been retired now, I have not seen one in decades. Safety is the main reason from what I heard, the only ones I saw at Bliss-WSMR were in the DRMO parking area, we all used busses when I was there.
     
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    The cattle cars were basically it back in Ft.Bliss circa 1980-1. I might have had the luxury of a bus a few times---but the cattle cars were the basic means of going from the barracks to training areas on othe parts of the base complex.

    I believe my actual basic training was only some 5 weeks long, and we took a final 12 mile road march with just rifle and web gear and helmet out in White Sands.

    However, we weren't babied back then like they did newer ADA troops after us. We had to do all training and PT tests in at least uniform pants with boots.
     
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    The Drudge Report is giving it some coverage today.

    Minneapolis police records shed light on 2014 military training
    http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/blog/p...ice-records-shed-light-2014-military-training


    NATIONAL GUARD BLOCKS INFOWARS REPORTERS FROM COVERING DIRTY BOMB EXERCISE
    Captain cites "nature" of previous work as reason for denial
    http://www.infowars.com/national-guard-blocks-infowars-reporters-from-covering-dirty-bomb-exercise/
     
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    The point you are eluding/missing is that this exercise isn't about protecting the borders from an invading force, Red Dawn scenario, but it is deliberately targeting US citizens as hostile. Not only that but entire regions of the in populated areas will/are a part of this, 'exercise'.
     
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    And do not forget that the Government is taking over Walmart stores that have been closed to turn them into POW camps for this exercise.
     
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    They ought to, lord knows the tax payers already paid for these buildings with the amount of corporate welfare given to that entity.

    But they are using them for something, and they are not being shy about it either. Part of the exercise is infiltration of militias, and taking prisoners. There is also according to the government officials who are talking plans to contain a few towns, isolate them and eliminate all communications in and out. Are these actual town or mock areas designated as towns, or towns that are freely going to take part in the exercise?

    Lot more questions than answers at this point.
     
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    I didn't think about it to much until I saw my old unit 1st ANGLICO was partying at Havasu Lake a couple weeks ago conducting a CAS training exercise. The Marines are always doing (*)(*)(*)(*) out in the Mojave. But then I noticed they were wearing civilian clothing and driving around in unmarked vehicles while calling in simulated CAS missions on Lake Havasu City.

    Why are all of these exercises being conducted in very heavy red communities that never vote for liberals ? Why not conduct CAS exercises over East L.A., Compton or Malibu ?

    http://www.marines.mil/News/NewsDis...anglico-performs-cas-in-lake-havasu-city.aspx
     

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