mini ice age could be on the way and it’s going to get very, very cold

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Oh! The information is out there if you bother to look but I admit it would mean visiting every home page of every organisation individually. Now if those organisations were being misrepresented then they are free to sue so I doubt that a website showing false information like that would last long
     
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    An opinion piece written by someone with a vested interest proves zip
     
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    It's not an opinion piece it is an explanation in detail of how the cook study has been misrepresented. Feel free to point out where the guy is wrong. This is really pretty common know from multiple sources.
     
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    Seems like all you have to bolster your position is list and copy and paste charts and graphs you have previously used. and your debate tactic is everyone's saying it so it must be true. Try doing a little real critical thinking for a change. Always question, always explore.
     
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    No link so I reject your post. You dont even say what country that chart is for.
     
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    Citation did not come through

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    This from the person who never backs thier statements with citations


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
     
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    Sorry?

    :roflol: I provide evidence and citations to back what I am saying and you STILL think I am the one in the wrong?
     
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    Yes OPINION means it is what someone thinks. In other words not even as valid as a post on this board and I have done so
     
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    So far? I mean are you buying more stuff for your system? Is it paid for? Will your system last longer than your payments? It seems to me that the cost per kw would continue to go down.The final cost is per kw is yet to be determined.
     
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    When the oil no longer appears on your dipstick do you buy a longer dipstick? One can argue two ways. The truck needs oil...or the truck needs a longer dipstick. A majority would say the truck needs oil .
     
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    Debunking the 97% of scientist meme with scrutiny into how the cook study has been falsely used to push that number is not opinion it's just fact. A fact you just can't face apparently.
     
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    It's an interesting subject really. I've been off grid 15 years now and it ain't cheap. My second set of batteries is on it's last legs so that will be another big hit next summer. My original solar panels are putting out about 20% less than they did when new and barely charge my batteries all the way up on a good sunny day so they need added to or replaced. Refrigeration and water heater requires a huge battery bank and enough solar panels to charge it which just didn't make financial sense no matter how I crunched the numbers. The option I chose is to go propane for those appliances. The on demand hot water heater is actually pretty efficient but it was costly to purchase. The refrigerator cost way more than an electric one and is quite a bit smaller. It uses ten gallons a month at over three bucks a gallon to run which is very expensive for refrigeration. Then there's the generator which I have to run a lot in the winter months when we make little if any solar power. It was expensive to buy and even my little Honda 2000 cost a fair amount to run. In winter it averages three hours run time per day which is a gallon of gas every three days. It's on it's last legs too. As you can see going off grid isn't as cheap as advertised. "Big electric" brings electricity to your door very inexpensively. I enjoy the self sufficient aspects of off grid though and have to chuckle when I watch the news and hear people shinning about the latest power outage from wind, ice or snow.
     
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    He proved nothing. He made some egregious statements about political candidates, made a claim which he did not validate and ignored evidence supporting Cook including previous research papers, the listed academic academies which have all issued statements as well as the sheer number of scientists involved in writing and reviewing the IPCC

    Here is the statement by the Union of Concerned Scientists
    https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warmi...g-happening-humans-primary-cause#.XAvOfJEmKhA
    It includes a systematic review

    One bloke who is making money from denialism sayin "I don fink so" does not a critique make
     
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    And yet I run the camper on two batteries and a 100 watt solar blanket. It will last arounfpd three days
     
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    Your link does not address the subject you started and now want to run away from. You really on the debunked cook study to arrive at your numbers and yes it is completely debunked. I'm sure you won't read these links but until you accept the fact that not all scientist believe man is the primary driver io climte you are destned to walk around with blinders on and trip over every fallacy you encounter


    https://www.destaatvanhet-klimaat.n...vey-not-only-meaningless-but-also-misleading/

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2014/jun/06/97-consensus-global-warming
     
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    You also have a propane refrigerator and heater. By the way if you run your batteries dead you are destroying them. Fully charged they are 12.8 amps and you should not let them get under 12.3 at the very lowest.
     
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    Solar might work out better for me here in Alabama. But we do have nuclear "Browns Ferry" and several hydroelectric dams. Wood heat would work well here also. I am considering wood heat for my shed....but a thick jacket and extra pair of sox would do in the winter. A warm water system could be built with some black pvc...or other pipe...and a storage tank. It is just a matter of placing the pipe in the sun and figuring out how fast to move the water through the system. I would love to have solar powered ac. But right now I am on the grid and will probably remain so.There are only so many hours in a day and so much to do. Right now I am storing water for our dry season. I am curious to see if I can store more water than I need for outside use.
     
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    No, absolutely wrong. Who fed you such a crazy story, and why did you fall for it?

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2009GL040736
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    [1] The current observed value of the ratio of daily record high maximum temperatures to record low minimum temperatures averaged across the U.S. is about two to one.
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    That claim is flatly contradicted by all the hard data. That's not debatable. The more interesting question is why you choose to say such a false thing over and over, despite all evidence to the contrary.
     
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    I get my water from a spring 800 feet uphill from the house and for a couple of years the black pipe the water ran through wasn't yet buried. In the summer our water was HOT even though much of the pipe is in the shade of trees. We had to fill a container in the morning for drinking water for the day. Problem was in really cold winter weather it was prone to freezing even with water continuously running through it so it's now buried. Been meaning to set up a summer system for hot water with coils of black pipe but just haven't got to it yet. Guaranteed to work though.
     
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    Thats a flat out lie and you know it.

    I totally destroyed your gun control arguement with links to the AUS crime reports and the FBI uniform crime reports.

    But I understand that in desperate attempts to hold some level of credibility (by the way, its too late for you) you will resort to blatant lies.

     
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    I have two cement ponds and my climate is semi tropical and I am wondering if the black pipe idea would work for my two cement ponds in the winter. For Tilapia I would need a low temperature ....on safe side ...of fifty degrees. In the summer I get 90 degrees sometimes. Cool water fish grow too slow and too much can happen between stocking and harvest. My ponds...which will be connected. ..amount to about 4000 gallons. I also have a couple temporary ponds with plants and goldfish. The water is crystal clear and fresh from the sky. It might give a good flavor to the fish. I also have some one and a half pvc glue and fittings.
     
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    If the sun's out it should work even in cool temperatures. When my pipe line was above ground it froze two different times in zero degree weather even with three gpm flowing through it. 800 feet was just too much pipe to not ultimately freeze. Both times I drug it down below my house in hundred foot sections and laid it out on a sunny slope. It was in the teens but the pipes still thawed out. Not much fun but black plastic pipe conducts the sun's heat extremely well.
     
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    Interesting, I will have to put it on my list. We seldom get very cold weather and lows in the teens are not that common but it does happen. Should be easy to heat considering we are in the sun belt. A lot of energy can be stored in 4000 gallons of water. Just have to run some temp readings when I get the layout right and the system installed.
     
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