mini ice age could be on the way and it’s going to get very, very cold

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  1. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Well-Known Member

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    Typical attack the messenger ignore the message. Care to refute how the cook study was dishonestly used to give false numbers?
     
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    I would need to know exactly what it was all these agencies said they agreed with to see the whole picture here. Until then I'm left with an incomplete picture much like the fable of seven blind men and an elephant.

    Your link is error 404
     
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    That is not true globally. For some areas that have to import fuel and the import costs are extreme (such as islands), renewables are cheaper. In the USA, which has excess fossil fuel production, renewables are much more expensive than fossil fuels and renewables only exist because of huge govt subsidies and govt mandates.

    I support solar and wind, I think every house in the USA where conditions are appropriate should have wind and solar. I like them because that technology can power a house, there is no distribution system because the energy is generated at the point of use, and the govt does not control the homeowners energy production.

    But its not cheap. It requires batteries, and they have to be replaced every 5-7 years. And the best batteries by far are lead-acid, which are not "green" to manufacture, they are heavy and require transportation. Solar panels weather and break and have to be replaced, electronics occasionally have to be replaced. In many conditions, wind turbines have a shorter life than solar panels and batteries.

    Solar and wind and batteries have not really progressed in 30 years.
     
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    All good points. My home is off grid solar and I guarantee my electric cost per kwh are higher than people who are on grid.
     
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    No I attacked BOTH

    And if the source is suspect then it should be attacked - this is now standard in academia you HAVE to declare any interests

    You would not accept a paper published by "Alternate energy inc" would you?
     
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    Not keeping up the the market are we?

    Many fossil fuels are subsidised which means you are paying more just not directly

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    At present battery is a huge cost but South Australia is apparently loving thier battery backup since it highly reactive to baseload variances
     
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    I would look at the info it contained and judge it on that. I would not immediately dismiss it without even hearing what they had to say. See this is why you can't learn and grow. You only listen to those that tell you what you want to hear.
     
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    Now on your other link. Let's look at it.

    List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
    The following are scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action:

    It's informative in what it does not say and goes along with the link I gave you quite nicely. It does not say man is driving the climate and it seems editorialized in that there is no exact statement in quotes that these organizations in detail agreed with. Another missing piece of the elephant. Once we can ascertain what that was we will have the elephants trunk so to speak and think it's a snake. Next piece of the elephant is to look at each individual organization and see who they are exactly and what their qualifications are. Are they just a couple of guys with a fancy name? Do they represent a third world country that stands to benefit greatly from a Paris Accord that would fund them in the event of any natural disasters that could be blamed on climate change? Are they even a real organization or a front group? As you can see just posting a very long list is worthless, it's quality not quantity that counts and the elephant list would take forever to verify or disavow. I realize it's easy to just cut and paste a long list like that and say "see, everyone says it so it must be true" but that's poor debate and proves absolutely nothing.
     
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    Oh! The information is out there if you bother to look but I admit it would mean visiting every home page of every organisation individually. Now if those organisations were being misrepresented then they are free to sue so I doubt that a website showing false information like that would last long
     
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    An opinion piece written by someone with a vested interest proves zip
     
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    It's not an opinion piece it is an explanation in detail of how the cook study has been misrepresented. Feel free to point out where the guy is wrong. This is really pretty common know from multiple sources.
     
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    Seems like all you have to bolster your position is list and copy and paste charts and graphs you have previously used. and your debate tactic is everyone's saying it so it must be true. Try doing a little real critical thinking for a change. Always question, always explore.
     
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    No link so I reject your post. You dont even say what country that chart is for.
     
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    Citation did not come through

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    This from the person who never backs thier statements with citations


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
     
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    Sorry?

    :roflol: I provide evidence and citations to back what I am saying and you STILL think I am the one in the wrong?
     
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    Yes OPINION means it is what someone thinks. In other words not even as valid as a post on this board and I have done so
     
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