Minimum Wage

Would you support a minimum wage of say, $20 dollars an hour? It would cause a steep rise in the price of everything but greatly reduce public assistance and all of it's attendant social ills. An America where the majority of people work would increase tax revenues and consumer spending. Boom or bust? What do you think?

 

there'd be an increase in the number of people on public assistance because of a decrease in the number of available jobs.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

I would support say, AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM that is fair, and capable of providing folks a decent lifestyle. Not simply aspirations of someday escaping to be one of the rich lucky ones.

PS, ask yourself, why hip hop culture exists.

 

Why not $200 an hour? If $20 an hour is good, $200 should be 10x better. How about $2000 dollar an hour? That would be nirvana and would solve all the worlds problems. I mean it would make sure it destroys every business in America. NOBODY would have to work any more and have a great life! WHAT? Who is going to pay for it if everyone gets $200 an hour? Don't be silly, we will just print more money, no problem. The liberal viewpoint exposed to what it is. There should be NO minimum wage. The 13th amendment against "involuntary servitude" is totally forgotten when I HAVE to pay someone my money without my consent. I as a business owner decide how much I will pay for help, just like I decide who comes into my house, and who is my friends, and who is not. You are free to say NO and walk away, or you can work for what I offer to pay. The law of supply and demand is what makes capitalism work. Freedom is not free.

 

I don't understand. The harder and smarter I work, the luckier I seem to be. Do you think there is a connection why I make 20x minimum wage that I once worked for while going to college? Do you think that because I never got involved with drugs, alcohol, crime, wasteful spending, planning and executing a plan for my life. Is that all luck? Gee, if it is, I am lucky SOB. So I must be one of the "rich lucky ones".

The truth is, everyone in America has an opportunity to make it, but IF you make it is all up to you.

 

So, for you it is fair. Then it is no surprise that you would freeze promotion when you are up the ladder.

Most peoples livelihoods are being downgraded since the 70s.

MOST peoples wages are being ruined by productivity increases, as it is all chocked up to automation. NOT them nasty human EMPLOYEES. What with their demands for bathroom breaks and such.

PS. I am an automation engineer, a plastic injection moldmaker. I am a process engineer. Disabled.

 

what economic system is that?

do your utopian fantasies take into account the people who screw up their lives to the point of unemployability?

is it the "economic system's" fault that Diane thought it would make her one of the cool kids if she tried some heroin and is now an unemployable junkie with a rap sheet as long as her arm?

choices carry consequences....always have, always will...regardless of whether leftists think they should or not.

 

It should absolutely be $15 nationally.

 

EVERY economic system will have those that do not fit properly. This is a cost of doing business. How you deal with that, spells the REAL character of a country.

PUNISHING all those that don't thrive in a dog eat dog system, is cruel, depending on the systems ability to punish.

 

life is not always fair... and can sometimes be quite cruel. especially for the stupid, slothful, and chronically irresponsible. government cannot fix that.

make your bed, lie in it.

 

Why do you hate poor people?

 

That is the thing. The right wingers are all about being marshallized Darwin enforcers. They WANT folks to suffer and die, as a signpost the the rest of the EATERS, that they best get to steppin or they will starve next. You and yours are all about PUNISHMENT. Which, aggrandizes yourselves.

 

if people want to suffer, who am I to stop them?

why is it society's or the economic system's responsibility to alleviate or altogether remove the consequences for an individual's profoundly piss poor personal planning? I can't force people to graduate high school. I can't force people to become a productive member of society. I can't force people to not commit crimes. I can't force people to not have babies they can't afford. I can't force people to live within their means.

neither can government.

and you know this....but it satisfies your (and your confederates') sense of moral superiority to conspicuously signal your 'virtue'.

 

Don't give me that bull about cant force people. You are gearing up to force all kinds of people. You and yours are into force,.

 

I'd replace all government assistance programs and the minimum wage with a income redistribution program to workers that reduced income inequality to the level in the 50s and 60s.

 

There would be no more entry level jobs, and recent high school grads and others would no longer be employable. Many businesses, large and small, that rely heavily on entry level employment would be gone. Unemployment would soar -- increasing, not decreasing, social aid and assistance.

 

You and your confederates obviously believe the 'free lunch' exists.....that government and its giant-brained 'progressive' bureaucrats can devise a special combination of coercion and taxes that will 'solve' poverty, while simultaneously allowing Americans to maintain the constitutionally recognized and protected individual natural rights and liberties they're accustomed (and will fight to the death to retain).

 

A tiny, almost insignificant percentage of workers over 25 are making minimum wage, and half of those are making minimum wage plus tips. The REAL minimum wage is, and always will be, $0/hr. The OP freely, and correctly, admits that raising the minimum wage will cause the cost of goods and services to increase significantly. The number of people that raise directly helps is a tiny few, but nearly half of Americans are not in the workforce at all. Even a tiny increase in cost of food really, really hurts them.

So I ask the OP again: Why do you hate poor people?

 

I love how lefties spout off about a "fair economic system" but conveniently leave out any details as to what that would look like. Lefties do not offer solutions they only bellyache.

 

Appeals to emotion are appealing to emotionalists. "What happens next" is not a concept that can enter such a thought process.

 

For those who make the argument that we have a ludicrously high minimum wage like "Why not $2000 an hour"?

Well, why not have a $2 minimum wage? And don't forget to add work requirements for receiving government welfare.

It's legalized slavery!

 

I followed a few principles given to me by my depression era parents. I work as an independent contractor, so I am NOT up the ladder any more. I retired from Engineering design and Engineering management in 2004, and became an independent contractor, moved to being my own boss. I live or die by my own skills and drive. I went out of my way to learn many new things. Go read the book "who moved my cheese". Things are constantly changing and you have to change with them, or you will be left behind. Minimum wage jobs in fast food and retail are going away, so those people in those trades better get new skills NOW, while they still can earn money to live day to day, that will help them along in the future. Look where jobs are going, and follow them NOW. I read everything I can. I got my masters in military history so I could learn strategy, I got my PE back in 1979, I passed the Ohio BAR exam in 2015 with a mean score of 80% (you need 60 to pass, and no I am NOT a lawyer, just have knowledge). You need to learn to "learn" as a lifelong quest, and you will be surprised at the money and "luck" that comes your way. Just sayin, that is how I got where I am. Anyone else wishing to spend the time and effort can follow that strategy and 90% will become well off.

 

Why not have NO minimum wage. If you as an employer are FORCED to pay a certain rate of pay, is a violation of the 13th amendment because you end up being the slave of your workers. They have th opportunity to start their own businesses. They can compete with you for your customers.

 

Why not $200 an hour. If $15 is good, $200 an hour would be even better.

 

Who do you have to steal from to make this happen, being all taxation is legal theft.