Minimum Wage

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  1. Renee

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    I worked with poor, very poor black and Latino students in Brooklyn, and your lack of awareness is why we have bigotry. No one enjoys living at the poverty level and to conclude that women have babies to get welfare shows your contempt. If on,y you got as upset over big corporations getting billions in tax
    You make the word victim a dirty word. People are in fact victims. . Do you think when I couldn’t get a credit card in my own name, I wasn’t a victim of sexism? When someone doesn’t hire someone because of skin color, are they not victims of discrimination? You have no comprehension of discrimination and it is clearly illustrated by your examples. You left out the employee knows he can exploit someone who needs the work desperately
     
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    And of course you left out the facts that the bulk of "victims" of themselves, and of the people promoting socialism.
    There is a battle of lies taking over society, as personal character fades and is replaced by so many anxious to be victims, and get the benefits of blaming others for their poor choices and demanding compensation from those who have actually accomplished and built.

    Nobody said it was easy to make something of yourself- but the alternative of feeling sorry for yourself is becoming epidemic, and people are abandoning integrity, self respect and personal pride to wallow in it. Too busy to consider hating and blaming to find themselves, took cowardly to take control and responsibility for their lives- thus they have no power over it.

    Nothing good happens until you get your butt in the drivers seat and take that responsibility and control.
     
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  3. danielpalos

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    it is about lowering the cost of government through simplification.

    unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, is simpler and more cost effective.
     
  4. John Sample

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    Can you cite a plank in any past Republican platform that ever said they want people to grow their own food? And I hope you are aware that in the 1800's not everyone was a farmer. There were blacksmiths, doctors, soldiers, sailors, trappers, scholars, dentists, store owners, entertainers, etc. none of which owned or knew how to use a plow. We have not all grown our own food since the dawn of agriculture. So we are going back several millennia before the 1800's. But if you are content with the minimum wage, you can live in my shed and take care of my property. Heck, maybe you can plant some crops for me! :)
     
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    Pedagogy is important, yes. But IMHO, by the time anyone stands in front of a classroom, they have had at least 16 years seeing what works and what doesn't without a single course devoted to pedagogy. And if you are smart enough to earn a four year degree in a particular discipline, you should be able to figure out how to teach the material in your specialty successfully. And you always have older peers that you can go to for free advice. College professors don't take any hours of pedagogy courses. Your math prof never took a course in how to teach math.
     
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    We’ve tried that experiment, it was called the guilded age. Without the supplimental income you are creating more desperation in the workforce, leading them to accept lower wages and longer hours to try to survive. I don’t buy that things will just work out.
     
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    No.

    Wrong again.
     
  8. MAGA

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    You mean like the unpaid interns and volunteers that work for offices and political campaigns of candidates that propose raising the minimum wage to $15?

    $0.00/hr is OK while $3.50/hr is not?
     
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    The always did and are doing so now. There are more good jobs out there than people to fill them. Make yourself worth $20 an hour. Supplimenting them to not to insures they won't.
     
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    You are talking about a check for everybody that doesn't want to work..... That would be popular for sure, as so many people no longer take pride in being self-sufficient and aren't bothered by being on a public dole.
     
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    The minimum wage should be fifteen dollars an hour.
     
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    Good post. They are victims of targeted destructive institutional racism, but the poor do have babies for welfare.

     
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    There should never be a check for anyone able to work who chooses to remain idle.
     
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    yes; volunteers; not people who actually need a job to be active in our economy.
     
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    so will fifteen dollars an hour for a minimum wage.
     
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    The market should always determine the wages of unskilled workers, but that does not mean that their wages could not be subsidized to make it possible for them to work and thrive.
     
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    Why should they? The rich have been taking advantage of the poor, since the dawn of capitalism.
     
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    Why is that? Employment at the will of either party, is the law. Don't be illegal to the law.
     
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    Volunteers are quite often people that need a job to be active in our economy.

    If someone volunteers to work for nothing, more power to them. It's a free country, right?

    But if they need $3.50/hr to meet their needs, and someone wants to pay them $3.50/hr, suddenly it's no longer a free country... And you're OK with that?
     
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    There should never be a check for anyone able to work who chooses to remain idle because wages are for workers - not for the able idle.
     
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